Shank: "...cruise ship mentality took hold with the Patriots and their fans"

RayClay · Jan 12, 2016

JarOfMayo51 said:
What an insulting article to the players and coaches of past Pats SB winning teams. This guy is a f***ing joke.

The Pats have had some incredibly difficult roads to the SB.... this guy is so proud of himself for coining the term "tomato can" that he uses it whenever possible, even when it doesn't apply.. there are no tomato can playoff teams lol

There are 32 teams, they all have to go thru the regular season gauntlet and then survive the playoffs and face off against the opposing conferences best team for the right to be Champion... last year they had to come back twice from 14 pts down to a Ravens team that was 2 years removed from winning the SB and a perennial playoff contender.. then they had to beat the NFLs beloved Colts/Luck, who had just beat the Broncos (who were in the SB prior year) lead by Manning.. then had to beat the defending Super Bowl champion Seahawks, who statistically had one of the greatest defenses since the 85 bears, and they had to come back from a 10 pt deficit in the 4th quarter to do it

Talk about a total piece of s*** that likes hearing his own voice and intentionally tries to insult an entire fan base and a team of players and coaches that have battled and consistently been the best team in the NFL over 15 years, accomplishing the greatest football run ever in history

This guy needs someone to meet him out in the parking lott after class and kick the snot out of him. . Disrespectful douchebag!

Yeah he coined it in the middle of the last century about boxers.

tomato can, curse of the ... tomato can, curse of the...

At least Borges is a half decent writer. Shank writes at about "See spot run" level.

SVN · Jan 12, 2016

goheels22002 said:
Taking a page out of Ron Borges' thin-skinned book, Dan Shaughnessy turns his tomato can cliche into an attack on the Patriots and us. It's stunningly lazy to duck writing a real column about football and a fascinating matchup in the playoffs by turning it into a childish assault on the team and the readers of his newspaper's sports page.

Dan Shaughnessy: Things haven’t fallen into place for the Patriots - The Boston Globe

Shaughnessy does not surprise by mentioning 2014's debacle, Andy Reid's record against Belichick, and the quality of the Chiefs defense. Instead of delving a quarter of an inch deeper into the story by looking at the schedule the Chiefs played to get to this point, or debating how the Patriots prepared for these playoffs by going conservative with injured palyers who could have played, or looking at how much adversity the Patriots have faced on and off the field to get here, Shank turns on us.

Nice work, Dan. I hear BU and Northeastern have good editorial writing classes. Take one.

To each his own but why are you reading CHB ? this stuff is written every year. Same article rehashed all the time.

Ivan · Jan 12, 2016

RayClay said:
Yeah he coined it in the middle of the last century about boxers.

tomato can, curse of the ... tomato can, curse of the...

At least Borges is a half decent writer. Shank writes at about "See spot run" level.

Not sure why the ability to turn a phrase makes one a good writer. It all goes out the window if they are agenda driven and spouting lies and that's what these guys do. Unless they are writing fiction a journalists first responsibility is to the truth and the boston media doesn't understand the meaning of that concept. Borges is a convicted plagiarist, that disqualifies him as a good writer.

Mr. Plow · Jan 12, 2016

Way back in the 1980s, Jay McInerney said something like this:

When a critic likes an author or a director and says so in his column, he's putting that guy's name out there.

When a critic doesn't like someone, and rips into him in an attention-getting way, the critic is putting his own name out there. He's creating buzz for himself. As in, "hey, did you see what Shaugnessy wrote yesterday?"

Shaughnessy isn't so much anti-Boston, he has to get his name out there. This is how he does it.

And, he always has to be the smartest guy in the room. You think Jim Rice belongs in the Hall of Fame? Well, let me clue you in, boyo...

letekro · Jan 12, 2016

Ivan said:
Borges is a convicted plagiarist, that disqualifies him as a good writer.

Actually, it doesn't. The plagiarism affects his credibility, not his writing ability, since there is plenty he hasn't plagiarized that is well-written. Anyway, he generally writes snarky opinion pieces (e.g., his report cards), it's not like anyone is counting on him to be the fair and balanced herald of the day's events. In fact, it would be folly to do so.

Shank, on the other hand, is a despicable, talentless, soulless, and completely unworthwhile waste of oxygen and space.

Jackson 2 · Jan 12, 2016

letekro said:
Actually, it doesn't. The plagiarism affects his credibility, not his writing ability, since there is plenty he hasn't plagiarized that is well-written. Anyway, he generally writes snarky opinion pieces (e.g., his report cards), it's not like anyone is counting on him to be the fair and balanced herald of the day's events. In fact, it would be folly to do so.

Shank, on the other hand, is a despicable, talentless, soulless, and completely unworthwhile waste of oxygen and space.

I think it all depends on the definition of a good writer. I have never doubted Borges's talent. But if "good " includes qualities such as credibility and integrity, then I'd say, to me at least, he isn't a good writer. He's skillfull at writing, for sure.

resdubwhite · Jan 12, 2016

and this prick is in the baseball writers hall of fame?

CheekyDave · Jan 12, 2016

Wont' read it or even look at it. Why ANYONE would read or talk about any article written by CHB is beyond me.

OhExaulted1 · Jan 12, 2016

" Occasionally the Ravens would put up a fight, but there was always a Tuck Rule or a Cundiff waiting to happen."

I thought the Tuck Rule was imposed in 2002 in a game against the Raiders. Thank the Lord we have a proffesionally trained journalist to do the research we were unaware of and use it in context correctly.

This article is the epitome of lazy and spiteful.

robbomango · Jan 12, 2016

I won't read it but it sounds like his annual trash article. Dan is at odds with the PO format where higher seed teams play lower seed teams. Well not really he knows what he's doing, tweaking fans. But if you call him on it and say "We had the best record and deserve the 1 or 2 seed, hence playing lower seed teams" he'll just say the division sucks or the schedule was easy and on and on and on....

Shank LOVES when you're mad and is probably rolling around on the ground somewhere laughing at this thread.

1960Pats · Jan 12, 2016

For any of you who haven't seen the movie Spotlight about the Globe's uncovering the abuse by the church's pedophile priests (after the Globe hid it for five years) they included a Sox mention while they threw a good laugh at the Pats, even though it was taking place at a time when the Pats were NFL champions and the Sox were still losers. Some things never change.

1960Pats · Jan 12, 2016

It's too bad that Joe Fitzgerald doesn't write about sports. He's always been one of my favorites.

Patriot Missile · Jan 12, 2016

Needs to take his loveable loser cliche and move on. Sox 3, Patriots 4, Bruins 1, Celtics 1. Err...revolution 1 or 2 in this century.

Heard he burned some bridges with the fried chicken in the clubhouse thing a few years back. Hence why he is off writing about the Patriots. Mort was my source btw.

BelizePats · Jan 12, 2016

Not reading it. No way in hell.

Dan Shaughnessy is a repugnant douche of a human being.

Mind you, I'd be bitter too if I looked like afterbirth.

Jackson 2 · Jan 12, 2016

1960Pats said:
For any of you who haven't seen the movie Spotlight about the Globe's uncovering the abuse by the church's pedophile priests (after the Globe hid it for five years) they included a Sox mention while they threw a good laugh at the Pats, even though it was taking place at a time when the Pats were NFL champions and the Sox were still losers. Some things never change.

The subject of that film is so much more important than anything we've ever discussed or likely will ever discuss here, that I don't even feel comfortable including a sports reference with it. Leave it alone, would be my take.

RayClay · Jan 12, 2016

Ivan said:
Not sure why the ability to turn a phrase makes one a good writer. It all goes out the window if they are agenda driven and spouting lies and that's what these guys do. Unless they are writing fiction a journalists first responsibility is to the truth and the boston media doesn't understand the meaning of that concept. Borges is a convicted plagiarist, that disqualifies him as a good writer.

Hmmm, I would say the ability to turn a phrase is lacking in bad writers. Shank, for instance, keeps recycling old boxing writers, tomato cans and his own curses.

Not sure if you took what i said for more than I meant. Wordplay, original metaphors etc.; For a sportswriter, Borges shows some writing ability. That's all I said.

RayClay · Jan 12, 2016

Jackson 2 said:
I think it all depends on the definition of a good writer. I have never doubted Borges's talent. But if "good " includes qualities such as credibility and integrity, then I'd say, to me at least, he isn't a good writer. He's skillfull at writing, for sure.

An axe murderer could be a good writer. people here need to learn to separate things.

zoostation · Jan 13, 2016

i refuse to read anything from this football know nothing. Read 2 summaries from page 1 of this thread. Let me guess..... his article mentions the fabricated myth about air in the balls, he references his passion in some way (baseball), and (in his mind...) he concludes his theory and ongoing attempt to minimize the accomplishments of the organization by claiming in past years they had an easy ride to the Super Bowl.

Shanks agenda to emulate Will Mcdonough is impossible. Will hated Kraft but at least knew the game of football (very well). Also, it's way too late for Shanks's other goal and agenda......keeping this region a baseball first fanbase. Obviously that train left the station.

Shank - Is there any way you can get any milage out of this storyline? The Red Sox equipment van is in service and new tires are being mounted. This will excite a good percentage of RS Nation while at the same time allow you to write about something you actually understand.

1960Pats · Jan 13, 2016

Jackson 2 said:
The subject of that film is so much more important than anything we've ever discussed or likely will ever discuss here, that I don't even feel comfortable including a sports reference with it. Leave it alone, would be my take.

Feel free to leave it alone, but the sports reference (praising the Sox while knocking the Pats) was made during the film. Apparently the filmmaker had no problem with that or using Fenway Park for one of the scenes.

DarrylS · Jan 13, 2016

Was a huge fan of Marshall McLuhan back in the day, and once again..

"The medium has become the message", never more evident than it is today's media, as success is gauged not by quality, but by social media approval..

When I am out and about, he makes an appearance on Zolak and quickly change the channel, what an effete snob.. he really believes he is the smartest guy in the room.

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