Updated: Judge Tells Brady No Need To Attend 8/19 Settlement Hearing

DefenseRules said:

This report is from twitter. I believe NOTHING!

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That's the smart play on this one...

I would love for this to be the settlement. But I doubt it. No sources at all other than this random guy?

Then again, its not really anything that the NFL would want to leak.

patfanken said:

Really, DI? You think this is a win for the Patriots. Only in the narrow short term. If Brady pays a fine, even if he officially doesn't admit guilt, that is NOT how it will play among the haters.

In the end Goodell will have to eat a little crow, but he can blame it all on the Federal Court system, where the NFL has never faired well. He can still proclaim his belief that Brady was guilty to the world and got away on a technicality forced upon him. He can say it was the best deal he could get because of the Federal court, but the Pats were severely punished and that will satisfy the owners knowing that the Pats lost 2 key draft picks over NOTHING.

Most importantly, if this deal is actually coming to pass; the NFL will NEVER have to explain their actions on the Mort report. They will never have to explain their actions on their misinformation campaign. They will never have to explain the strategic leaks. They will never have to explain the actions of Kensil, Giardi, and Pash. They will never have to explain the farce of the Welles report.

So when you think about it. While some might consider this a win for Brady, in the long run Goodell comes out the big winner. He will get the owners support because he gave the Pats a black eye and hurt them competitively. He will have proven that he needs no real evidence to prosecute any player, team or owner and essentially get away with it. He won't come out of this without some perceived damage, but overall he wins, and consolidates his power over the PA, players and Teams he want to prosecute....or not.

So in the end Goodell wins, because even after all this, would you want to be the guy to cross him if you actually DID something.

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What exactly is it that you're hoping for? Full exoneration where Goodell admits to framing Brady moments before the firing squad takes him down?

I agree that Brady accepting a $50K fine and nothing else isn't ideal, in that I can at least imagine a better outcome. But it's an outcome I would be happy with. and I think at least in time the public narrative would come to recognize it as a general win for Brady that suggests the NFL league office was the real villain here.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

Hell! If that's the case, I'LL pay the $50k....

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And I'll happily have the word "Gasior" tattooed on my ass, with the "O" right at the sweet spot. Really. That's how happy I would be.

patfanken said:

Brady CAN'T admit any guilt for anything. Any settlement for Brady is a victory for the NFL, even this one. I hope to god this isn't true. He essentially admitted to murder, even thought the so called victim is alive and well. He not only permanently taints his legacy, he allows the NFL league offices to get away with a conspiracy of near epic proportions (relatively ).

I will hate it if this is the end result and my fandom will definitely be affected. I will believe that in the end that Kraft set this in motion and Brady confirmed my worst fears.

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Ken, if this suddenly goes from a 4 game suspension to ZERO games and a small token fine, the public will easily see it for what it was.

This has to be darn close to the best scenario that we'd ever be able to hope for, and mimics the "25k dollar fine for an equipment violation" that we all discussed from January--current.

Perhaps most importantly, we can all move forward into the 2015 season, since we know that it would finally be settled.

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 3m3 minutes ago
For those predicting #deflategate settlement announcement tmrw: I don't know of any settlement announced in federal court that way.

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 4m4 minutes ago
Usually just a notice of settlement filed with the court. Brady v NFL obvs unique, but it'd be weird to change protocol so drastically.

It means that guy is either full of **** or legit crazy.

BradyFTW! said:

What exactly is it that you're hoping for? Full exoneration where Goodell admits to framing Brady moments before the firing squad takes him down?

I agree that Brady accepting a $50K fine and nothing else isn't ideal, in that I can at least imagine a better outcome. But it's an outcome I would be happy with. and I think at least in time the public narrative would come to recognize it as a general win for Brady that suggests the NFL league office was the real villain here.

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I agree with this. There couldn't be a better outcome.

If the judge throws out the case, it's on a technicality, and I've already read SO many posts on other forums citing "the judge is already paid off".

The NFL settling for so little is proof they have absolutely nothing.

Ken, the haters are the haters. They're labeled haters for a reason. The reason is that they won't be reasoned with. They hate us. We're guilty. Goodell and Berman could stand together holding hands saying this was a sting, with a predetermined ending, they made it up as they went along, and that Brady has 6 fingers on his left hand, and the haters would eat it all up.

Forget worrying about what others care about. Think for yourself, this is the best outcome right now.

So is Brady going to practice or is he attending court?

slash83 said:

So is Brady going to practice or is he attending court?

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He was supposedly told to go back to work, so he will be at practice today in W.Virginia.

Was listening to that idiot Felger yesterday who was pontificating about a possible settlement, what's next??

Will Bob Kraft demand his draft picks back and how bad for the league it would be if he demanded that.. Michael just being a predictable contrarian..

Scrolling now on FESPN:
Brady open to possibility of some form of suspension, but for not fully co-operating, not for wrong-doing.

Don't do it man.

Edit: Sorry, same info was also posted in the Brady Decision Final? thread. Lotsa Brady threads of which
to keep track.

captain stone said:

Scrolling now on FESPN:
Brady open to possibility of some form of suspension, but for not fully co-operating, not for wrong-doing.

Don't do it.

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DON'T DO IT! !! Why should he be the 1st one to EVER get suspended for this? ?

ANGR89 said:

DON'T DO IT! !! Why should he be the 1st one to EVER get suspended for this? ?

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NFL* propaganda?

captain stone said:

Scrolling now on FESPN:
Brady open to possibility of some form of suspension, but for not fully co-operating, not for wrong-doing.

Don't do it.

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I'm sceptical that there was anything more than a hypothetical discussion over what the NFL would concede if Tom gave them a game. Then that hypothetical discussion turned into a leak that Tom will take a one game suspension. That's how lying liars lie.

Is today;s hearing going to be open to public ? Is this the thread to follow it ?

Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran 1h1 hour ago
Jeffrey Kessler and NFLPA contingent arrives at courthouse as @AdamSchefter reports Brady is amenable to taking suspension for non-coop

Matt Chatham ‏@chatham58 1m1 minute ago
If non-coop penalty is where Brady case ends,wording of penalty critical 4 all players. What CBA language he's violated -I'm not aware of it

JJC said:

It has been >30 years (and it wasn't Philosophy 101), but this is the essence of what I remember as one of my favorite passages of Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan. The idea that without agreed upon premises/assumptions/definitions and the application of reason, all you get is nonsense, which he names "opinion".

I probably missed the nuance, but I think the following still stands: Reasoning from scientific facts or accepted dogma is irrefutable. Having no solid foundation or failing to use reason gets you nothing better than opinion, which is neither faith nor fact.

Happy to learn where my misunderstanding lies though.

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Well, one problem was the equation of science with reason, which you seem to be teasing out here. The two aren't synonyms except perhaps to the vulgar empiricist like Hume or Bentham who equates science with fact. Hobbes' Continental contemporaries like Spinoza (my personal favorite philosopher, who was influenced by Hobbes) or Descartes, to the idealists like Kant and Hegel, and to post-Enlightenment philosophers such as Kuhn and Wittgenstein all have pretty different views on what underlies reason. Kant's most famous work, of course, is A Critique of Pure Reason.

The fault with Hobbes here lies with imagining reason to go all the way down; belief and reason are not two separate poles. Below reason there's belief. Hobbes even mentions this, but he fails to take it to a final analysis. As you say, look at any scientific study, and there's a hefty amount of assumptions and values underlying it -- they're just given names like assumptions and premises. One can argue the premises, as (to take it back to the topic) we saw with picking apart the facts in the Wells Report. But when there's two facts, which ones are real? This all comes down to belief.

One major tenet of post-Enlightenment ontology is that there's no such thing as objective fact, as every subject experiences reality as an object quite differently. The conceit of western juridical systems, based as they are on Enlightenment-era thinking, particularly Benthamite, is that you're presenting fact, but really it's about crafting a particular narrative of reality. Whomever presents the more coherent narrative of reality, and whose narrative aligns with the judge's moral and ethical values, will win. Reason can only take you so far. Moral appeals and language-games which fall under Hobbesian definitions of "opinion" are hugely important.