Explosive New Hernandez Details

[patsinthesnow]

Maybe this whole 2 TE formation was a bad idea from the start.

Looking outside of Hernandez's potential criminal status, has the system put up huge numbers?? Of course. But at the end of the day, you need to throw the ball outside the numbers and get the ball down the field. In games where it mattered most (i.e. the SB) our offense would either fail us because someone had the game plan to stop our system, or one of the TE's would go down and we had nothing else to turn to. We've become too reliant on our TE's. Look, the 2 TE set has been revolutionary from the start, but I don't know if it's a recipe for winning titles. I know more important things are on the line with the Hernandez situation. But who as a Pats fan can't help but look at what this offense will look like moving forward without Hernandez??

Nonsense. The Big 3: Welker, Hernandez, Gronk ( 2010-2012) were arguably the 2nd best offense in NFL history, and certainly top 5 over a three year span.

In the 48 game span the offense produced 33.1ppg, a Superbowl appearance, and an AFCCG game appearance, as well as 14-2, 13-3, and 12-4 records. In two of the playoff losses, Gronk was either unavailable or severely limited. In the other, Gronk was a terribly utilized rookie, staying in for blocking while Crumpler went out for routes in the playoffs.

The Big 3 only really had one weakness, health. Sure, they couldn't stretch the field really, but how many times was the offense stopped when all 3 were healthy?

I'd do anything to have the trio back over Gronk/Ballard Amendola/Dobson.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Mentally and Physically??

I get how successful it can be. I get all of that. I'm just saying we should've had a better backup plan for when one of them would go down. We relied on that gameplan far too much, and when it failed primarily due to injury, it screwed us over. Having good depth at WR still proves to be very important, no matter how good of TE's you have.

When two of your best players are tight ends, you run plays that get them both on the field. That's just common sense.

When one of the tight ends went down, they modified their offense accordingly. The gameplan didn't fail to injury. The gameplan became irrelevant due to injury, because you don't run plays designed to get the ball to Michael Hoomanawanui.

If you think that the Patriots can't (and didn't) adapt their gameplan to the personnel that they had available, then I don't think you're giving Belichick nearly enough credit. Look at what he did with Vereen in the divisional round: that was exactly the kind of backup plan that you seem to think the Patriots didn't have. And again, it was the same principle at work: you run plays according to the personnel that you have available.

Bottom line: the Patriots, like every good team, run plays that are designed to maximize the impact of their best players. They didn't fall short because they stubbornly adhered to a Gronk-centric gameplan after Gronk got hurt. They fell short because, without Gronk--one of the single most dangerous offensive weapons in the league--the team's ceiling was lowered.

The only way to avoid that risk is to not have any elite players in the first place.

 

[PP2]

Good question and I am sure that his attorney knows where he is.

All the more so because the white Audi he drove up to the Pru center is still there, in the parking garage.

I daresay he has been driven to an undisclosed location (a hotel) and instructed to stay put and stay out of the media spotlight.

 

[fnordcircle]

It doesn't matter if he is innocent or not, what is emerging to be pretty conclusive is that he obstructed a murder investigation.

It absolutely matters. Assuming he did destroy the surveillance then his rationale in doing so completely determines whether or not I want him on the team in the future.

If he was knowingly trying to obstruct a murder investigation I don't want anything to do with him.

If he was panicking because the surveillance had footage on it on an unrelated crime or event he wanted to keep private then I will more more interested in the idea of seeing him back on this team after the justice system is through with him.

In short - if he did destroy the surveillance he is either cold-blooded and trying to stop justice from being served in a murder or he's a dumb kid who panicked because something embarrassing or illegal (but far more tolerable than murder) was on those tapes.

That matters to me and it should matter to anyone who was a fan of the kid.

 

[Ring 6]

I never said he was the killer Andy ...

But you are judging his actions based on that.

I did say he is hindering the investigation ... that is fact.

I missed this. Where is this a FACT? Wouldn't he be under arrest? Do we know how he has responded to them?

he has a right to do so if he is the suspect ...

He has a right to do what he wants, but there may be consequences.

But again ... when you roll with unsavory people you don't get the benefit of doubt.

Not really. Everyone gets the same benefit of doubt, which is being judged on facts. Hernandez too.

Hopefully he is providing police with everything he knows at this time. If he is not and he is not the suspect then he will get what he deserves.

You just said he is not because he is hindering the investigation.

 

[Joey007]

After Hearing All of Hernandez's Situation....

Gronk's situation doesn't seem so bad anymore does it?? Hell, his partying and all of his surgeries sound pretty harmless ever since this mess came out.

 

[DaBruinz]

Oh really - so the reports that Hernandez was seen on video surveillance Monday morning must mean that the video surveillance was not in working order?

Ok Pom Pom....You live in dream land.

So, according to you, I live in a dream world because I actually follow the facts and don't put in assumptions?

If the surveillance footage that showed Hernandez returning to the house early Monday morning had been from the surveillance system at his own house, then the cops would have taken him in immediately as a person of interest. The problem for you is that none of the reports have said that the surveillance footage was from Hernandez's house.

Let's look at the timeline for a minute.

Police search Hernandez's house on Tuesday morning. No mention of them looking at the surveillance footage from Hernandez's house.
Police search Hernandez's house on Tuesday evening. No mention of them looking at the surveillance footage from Hernandez's house.
Police search Hernandez's house on Wednesday.

Wednesday is when it was reported that the equipment was smashed when they went to retrieve it.

Yet, they have surveillance footage from said system that shows Hernandez entering the house just minutes after the shots were supposedly heard? Umm, if they had that footage prior to Wednesday, why would they not take the equipment then as it would have been evidence, then?

Oh, I know. Because the surveillance footage that they are referring to is NOT from Hernandez's house, but from a neighbors. And that they wanted to CONFIRM it with the footage from Hernandez's house, which they hadn't seen yet.

So, you can call me a "pom pom waver" all you want, the problem for you is that I haven't made a decision one way or the other. Unlike you, I haven't jumped to any assumptions.



Do yourself a favor and follow the advice you posted to me yesterday.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Schefter is just retweeting ABC News. Not an independent confirmation, by any means. His tweet makes the validity of ABC's report no more or less likely.

 

[Onedaful]

hasn't FORMALLY been accused of anything YET, but we all know it is coming. Why can't you get that though your skull?

Because neither of us were there that night and have no clue what happened. Why can't you get that through your skull?

 

[DaBruinz]

LOL ... people destroy hard drives routinely - especially in the one currently protecting his house.

Actually, people with bad tempers who can't figure out how something works do, routinely, destroy equipment. And yes, even surveillance recording equipment that is "protecting" their own house.

 

[belichick010405]

So, according to you, I live in a dream world because I actually follow the facts and don't put in assumptions?

If the surveillance footage that showed Hernandez returning to the house early Monday morning had been from the surveillance system at his own house, then the cops would have taken him in immediately as a person of interest. The problem for you is that none of the reports have said that the surveillance footage was from Hernandez's house.

Let's look at the timeline for a minute.

Police search Hernandez's house on Tuesday morning. No mention of them looking at the surveillance footage from Hernandez's house.
Police search Hernandez's house on Tuesday evening. No mention of them looking at the surveillance footage from Hernandez's house.
Police search Hernandez's house on Wednesday.

Wednesday is when it was reported that the equipment was smashed when they went to retrieve it.

Yet, they have surveillance footage from said system that shows Hernandez entering the house just minutes after the shots were supposedly heard? Umm, if they had that footage prior to Wednesday, why would they not take the equipment then as it would have been evidence, then?

Oh, I know. Because the surveillance footage that they are referring to is NOT from Hernandez's house, but from a neighbors. And that they wanted to CONFIRM it with the footage from Hernandez's house, which they hadn't seen yet.

So, you can call me a "pom pom waver" all you want, the problem for you is that I haven't made a decision one way or the other. Unlike you, I haven't jumped to any assumptions.



Do yourself a favor and follow the advice you posted to me yesterday.

Yea - you live in a dream world pal. Go bother someone else.

 

[DocHoliday]

Maybe I'm a ****, but I don't really care what happens to him.

I just want to know if he'll be a patriot moving forward. If not, he's just another loser to me.

What do you guys think the red line is in terms of his continued employment by the team?

 

[SeymourTrophies]

who cares if a Ravens fan is here? If I was a Ravens fan, I would be here too gloating. How many years of abuse did Ravens fans have to take over the murderer Ray Lewis...

People roll their eyes at Ray Lewis because he is put on a pedestal as a holier than thou figure, and I kill Ray Lewis lovers like I kill Kobe Bryant lovers. Wait for Hernandez to get off on technicality/settle out of court to draw that parallel.

Change your number, praise Jesus, and most of all win championships, and you're fan base couldn't be more proud.

 

[DaBruinz]

BOSTON (CBS) – Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez will be charged in connection with the shooting death of a 27-year-old Dorchester man, a law enforcement source told WBZ NewsRadio 1030 on Friday.

According to that source, an arrest warrant has been issued on a charge of obstruction of justice.

The source added that it is possible that charges could eventually be upgraded.

June 21, 2013 11:50 AM

Source: Arrest Warrant Issued For Aaron Hernandez « CBS Boston

And as of 12:30 PM, according to Chris Price and Nick Underhill, no arrest warrant had been issued.

 

[JackBauer]

it isn't our fault you are not able to process data in your brain as quickly.

LOL. Unintentional comedy at its finest.

 

[BradyFTW!]

At this point, I'm pretty much ignoring all reports re: an arrest warrant, until there's an official announcement of some kind.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Maybe I'm a ****, but I don't really care what happens to him.

I just want to know if he'll be a patriot moving forward. If not, he's just another loser to me.

What do you guys think the red line is in terms of his continued employment by the league?

I think he will be a patriot. I think what will determine that one will be a talk with Kraft and BB.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

At this point, I'm pretty much ignoring all reports re: an arrest warrant, until there's an official announcement of some kind.

That's what it's gonna have to be.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yea - you live in a dream world pal. Go bother someone else.

Bother someone else? Because I refute all your BS speculation with very plausible questions?

As I said, follow your own advice from yesterday. Then you don't have to worry about being bothered ny me or anyone else...

 

[voluntarysaftey]

Actually, people with bad tempers who can't figure out how something works do, routinely, destroy equipment. And yes, even surveillance recording equipment that is "protecting" their own house.

This is true.
It's also an unlikely coincidence for all of the following to happen
1. Your friend whom you drove 40 miles dies unbeknownst to you
2. Your surveillance system gets destroyed days/months earlier without being fixed even though you have the money and celebrity status to care about security
3. Your phone breaks days before and you don't get it fixed
4. Police get a search warrant without evidence connecting you

It's far more likely that he is/was obstructing justice (maybe just to protect himself from a nfl drug violation)