Explosive New Hernandez Details

[supafly]

How does it "appear that Hernandez was involved in some shady doings"? Because all we have is PURE SPECULATION of the fans based on the fact that Odin Lloyd was murdered for some unknown reason and that he had gone out with Hernandez and two other friends that night.

That's ALL we have. It's standard procedure for the police to search the houses of the people who are last thought to have seen a victim. We have no idea what Hernandez's statement was to the cops. But they still need to verify it to rule him out. It's SOP. Yet, it seems that everyone and their brother has already convicted Ahern regardless of the lack of facts.

You obviously haven't been paying too close of attention to what has been happening in the past 2-3 days, so let's agree to disagree.

Like I said in my last response to you, you may end up being completely correct, but there have certainly been "facts" to this point that have Aaron Hernandez's balls placed squarely in the middle of a disaster. Multiple sources have stated that they have forensic evidence placing him at one of the scenes. They also have text messages that refer to him from the deceased persons cellphone around the time of death/disappearance. On top of that, there are drugs involved, there are multiple cars in his name when his own car(s) were parked in his driveway, and people saw him leave with the dead guy and return home without him. The other 2 people were still at his house the next day without his presence.

As you said, some of these facts are going to be incorrect, but why would you actually waste your time calling those out who believe otherwise? You yourself could very well be the one who's dead wrong here, so I'd consider that too before attacking others.

I don't see anyone calling AHern a "murderer," but you'd have to be totally blind to think that he's going to be completely innocent of all wrongdoing at the same time. Like I said--obviously he's involved in some shady dealings. We'll have to wait to see who is closer to being right. We've all been wrong before, so anything is possible.

 

[DaBruinz]

I was responding to the exact same comment when I said that it certainly doesn't mean that "there wasn't a shooting," so please stop with the personal attacks and eye rolling.

There was no personal attack. And I'll give you an eye roll if I please since it is MY OPINION.

You can continue to believe that Hernandez had nothing to do with the instance, but it's also reasonable to believe otherwise.

Different people have different opinions, so you have to respect both sides.

I agree with you that the victim now changing his story won't help his civil case, but that hardly equates to Hernandez automatically being innocent of shooting him also. There will certainly be plenty of other evidence that he'll present, so we'll have to see how it shakes out.

You are wrong. 100% wrong. I do not have to respect opinions that are based on absurdity and have no basis in fact. And I can offer up MY OPINION about those opinions if the opinions are made public.

Furthermore, my guess is the case gets dismissed based on the fact that he won't be able to produce the gun, that he obstructed justice by filing a false police report and that we'll only have his say that it was Hernandez who pulled the trigger.

 

[Kdo5]

You obviously haven't been paying too close of attention to what has been happening in the past 2-3 days, so let's agree to disagree.

Like I said in my last response to you, you may end up being completely correct, but there have certainly been "facts" to this point that have Aaron Hernandez's balls placed squarely in the middle of a disaster. Multiple sources have stated that they have forensic evidence placing him at one of the scenes. They also have text messages that refer to him from the deceased persons cellphone around the time of death/disappearance. On top of that, there are drugs involved, there are multiple cars in his name when his own car(s) were parked in his driveway, and people saw him leave with the dead guy and return home without him. The other 2 people were still at his house the next day without his presence.

As you said, some of these facts are going to be incorrect, but why would you actually waste your time calling those out who believe otherwise? You yourself could very well be the one who's dead wrong here, so I'd consider that too before attacking others.

I don't see anyone calling AHern a "murderer," but you'd have to be totally blind to think that he's going to be completely innocent of all wrongdoing at the same time. Like I said--obviously he's involved in some shady dealings. We'll have to wait to see who is closer to being right. We've all been wrong before, so anything is possible.

Exactly that hits the nail right on the head. That very fact should be simple enough that Ahern is getting involved or allowing himself to be involved in some bad business. Hard to see where it could turn out all good for him.

 

[supafly]

This thread is an excellent example of what happens when every1 pretends to be a detective with access to surveillance tapes and forensic evidence. I said pretend because in reality every1 is operating with limited information.

We'll know soon enough.

I'm certainly not pretending to be any kind of detective on any level, but to think that there hasn't been enough facts or smoke to determine that he's obviously involved in some shady ***** in the past several months is borderline ridiculous.

No one is calling him a murderer, but some are stating what seems to be pretty obvious to them (myself on a lesser level), so I'm not sure what the big debate is.

It'd be hard for me to call someone out who feels that he's been involved in some shady stuff lately, because there appears to be a pretty good chance of that.

All that said, I definitely agree with your statement that "we'll know soon enough," b/c that's what it all comes down to--but to think that we wouldn't be talking about it on patsfans in the middle of June is almost a joke to me. Of course people are going to be commenting and giving their opinions. Some right and some wrong.

 

[tombonneau]

Wow, some serious denial still going on in this thread. I don't need to see any more to know it's over. If AH had a credible alibi or story we'd have heard it by now.

 

[supafly]

There was no personal attack. And I'll give you an eye roll if I please since it is MY OPINION.



You are wrong. 100% wrong. I do not have to respect opinions that are based on absurdity and have no basis in fact. And I can offer up MY OPINION about those opinions if the opinions are made public.

Furthermore, my guess is the case gets dismissed based on the fact that he won't be able to produce the gun, that he obstructed justice by filing a false police report and that we'll only have his say that it was Hernandez who pulled the trigger.

First of all, not respecting other's opinons is what is "100% wrong.."

Now you're just acting like a pompous *** with that statement, especially after I've done nothing but show you respect and tell you that you very well may end up being right and others wrong.

Secondly, the burden of proof is about 1/2 of what it is in a civil trial compared to a criminal trial, so he won't "have to produce the gun." Now you're just being silly.....

Third of all, he doesn't need to be found guilty in the civil trial (which is the least of his worries at the moment) for me to say that "some shady dealings have been going on." 2 different things have come out in the last day or two. What the hell do you expect me to say? He's an angel?

Fourth of all, Goodell can suspend him even before either one of these have even heard their day in court--and that's in a best case scenario where he isn't charged in the latest scandal.

 

[robbomango]

Who knows, as Gwedd pointed out he may have been the designated driver, his friend may have brought up drugs and AH said "No way, not in my car not near my house, you're on your own"

He may be an angel he may be a scumbag, we have know clue. Jules was arrested last year and people on here lynched him straight up and look how that turned out. It was embarrassing.

Chill....

 

[DaBruinz]

You obviously haven't been paying too close of attention to what has been happening in the past 2-3 days, so let's agree to disagree.

Like I said in my last response to you, you may end up being completely correct, but there have certainly been "facts" to this point that have Aaron Hernandez's balls placed squarely in the middle of a disaster. Multiple sources have stated that they have forensic evidence placing him at one of the scenes. They also have text messages that refer to him from the deceased persons cellphone around the time of death/disappearance. On top of that, there are drugs involved, there are multiple cars in his name when his own car(s) were parked in his driveway, and people saw him leave with the dead guy and return home without him. The other 2 people were still at his house the next day without his presence.

Wrong. No source has said that forensic evidence placed Hernandez at the scene. The forensic evidence placed the rental car at the scene. And that the car was one that Hernandez had driven. It does not say that it placed Hernandez at the scene. It's right there in BOLD on the 1st page. And there are conflicting reports as to whether it's a Chevy Suburban or a Chrysler 300. Two distinctly different cars.

There weren't text messages PLURAL. All the articles mention one text message. The article by the OP mentions that it was sent when the men were leaving the bar. However, other articles (including the one from Fox25 and from SI) mention the same text, but don't imply that it was sent when they were leaving the bar. It just says that it was sent when they were leaving. That could mean it was sent when they were leaving to go to the bar.

There are unconfirmed reports that drugs were involved. Only Fox is reporting that it is and NESN is parroting them.

A "source" claimed that they left the house with Lloyd and returned without him. The only "source" would be one of the two other men who had been with Hernandez. Otherwise, you have different people at the bar saying they left together as saying that they arrived back at Hernandez's. Again, that doesn't prove anything.

As you said, some of these facts are going to be incorrect, but why would you actually waste your time calling those out who believe otherwise? You yourself could very well be the one who's dead wrong here, so I'd consider that too before attacking others.

How can I be "wrong" when I haven't made a decision one way or the other? Oh, that's right. I can't be.

Now, why don't you think on this. Is it better to make wild ass assumptions, exaggerate facts, and get things out right wrong or is it better to let things play out?

 

[manxman2601]

What am I missing here? If the evidence for some involvement at least is so compelling, why hasn't Hernandez been arrested or even interviewed formally? Based upon what we know, there sure seems to be enough evidence to at least question Hernandez. The fact that he hasn't yet suggests to me that his involvement is pretty minor at worst. If it was anymore serious, I can't believe he'd still be enjoying the freedom he currently is.

I'm in the UK and As an ex Police Officer, I know that, at the very least, Hernandez would have been to a Police Station if the facts are as being reported. Maybe things work differently in the US. Please enlighten me.

 

[supafly]

What am I missing here? If the evidence for some involvement at least is so compelling, why hasn't Hernandez been arrested or even interviewed formally? Based upon what we know, there sure seems to be enough evidence to at least question Hernandez. The fact that he hasn't yet suggests to me that his involvement is pretty minor at worst. If it was anymore serious, I can't believe he'd still be enjoying the freedom he currently is.

I'm in the UK and As an ex Police Officer, I know that, at the very least, Hernandez would have been to a Police Station if the facts are as being reported. Maybe things work differently in the US. Please enlighten me.

The evidence is currently being collected, lab tests and autopsy are being done and they are putting everything together. That is why nothing has been done and no one has been charged yet. As in almost all investigations, it will likely take them a couple/few days to have enough evidence and choose who to go after.

Again...it's not unreasonable to see either sides of it, so I'm not understanding the questioning of either side. If someone wants to have their opinion that he's going to be charged let them. If someone else wants to have their opinion that he's a high quality individual, let them...

But don't call them out for feeling one way or another. It's going to be a controversial issue until resolution comes. That is why I included the words "you very well may be right" in my personal responses, but to act like those who are worried are completely out of their minds when in the past 2 days he's been sued in a civil suit and been the main focus of a murden investigation to me is completely ridiculous.

 

[supafly]

Wrong. No source has said that forensic evidence placed Hernandez at the scene. The forensic evidence placed the rental car at the scene. And that the car was one that Hernandez had driven. It does not say that it placed Hernandez at the scene. It's right there in BOLD on the 1st page. And there are conflicting reports as to whether it's a Chevy Suburban or a Chrysler 300. Two distinctly different cars.

There weren't text messages PLURAL. All the articles mention one text message. The article by the OP mentions that it was sent when the men were leaving the bar. However, other articles (including the one from Fox25 and from SI) mention the same text, but don't imply that it was sent when they were leaving the bar. It just says that it was sent when they were leaving. That could mean it was sent when they were leaving to go to the bar.

There are unconfirmed reports that drugs were involved. Only Fox is reporting that it is and NESN is parroting them.

A "source" claimed that they left the house with Lloyd and returned without him. The only "source" would be one of the two other men who had been with Hernandez. Otherwise, you have different people at the bar saying they left together as saying that they arrived back at Hernandez's. Again, that doesn't prove anything.




How can I be "wrong" when I haven't made a decision one way or the other? Oh, that's right. I can't be.

Now, why don't you think on this. Is it better to make wild ass assumptions, exaggerate facts, and get things out right wrong or is it better to let things play out?

You can keep talking to yourself all night, but the facts are that in the past 48 hrs he's been sued for shooting someone in the face, along with being the main focus of a murden investigation. If that doesn't sound like "shady dealings" then I'm not sure what to tell you? I don't know why you have such a problem with that in the first place?

You'd think that after including the words "you very well may be right," you wouldn't lump me in with those who are on the complete radical end of the spectrum, but yet you continue to put me in that group.

All I'm saying is that I am personally going to respect both sides of the debate, admitting that either side can be "right or wrong." It's the middle of June on a Pats fan site, so obviously it's going to be a hot, controversial topic. People are going to see both sides of it. That's life.

Our main beef seems to be over the wording that I used claiming that "Hernandez seems to be involved in some shady dealings." And that I fully believe one way or another, whether it's hanging out with the wrong group of people, being involved with drugs or people who use them, having unlicensed weapons, shooting them, hiding accomplices, or what have you....the past 48 hrs have not made me feel as though he is making good decisions.

If you feel otherwise, then more power to you. As I've told you now several times, I fully respect your opinion and have no problem with it; which is more than I can say for you and your often pompous comments about "not choosing to respect anyone else's thoughts but your own" etc.

 

[Claremonster]

NOMOLIVINLIFEONTEHEDGE...

What a way to piss away a golden life...say hi to Rae Carruth.

 

[DaBruinz]

First of all, not respecting other's opinons is what is "100% wrong.."

Now you're just acting like a pompous *** with that statement, especially after I've done nothing but show you respect and tell you that you very well may end up being right and others wrong.

Said the guy who is the one actually acting like the pompous ass in this thread. Especially when you ignore what is actually said and adlib to try and make yourself look good. That's a Deus move and beneath you.

I said I do not respect the opinions that are based on absurdity or not based on fact. Guess you don't understand the difference. And please don't try to claim that you respect everyone's opinion because you'd be lying.

Umm.. how can I be "right" when I haven't made a decision one way or the other?

Secondly, the burden of proof is about 1/2 of what it is in a civil trial compared to a criminal trial, so he won't "have to produce the gun." Now you're just being silly.....

Nope. Not being silly at all. The burden of proof is entirely on the plaintiff in a civil trial. He has to prove that Hernandez pulled the trigger. Now, please consider that Bradley's police report said the following:

Aaron Hernandez of New England Patriots was sued over Florida shooting - Boston.com

he did not know who shot him and said the assailants were Hispanic and black males, the reports state

So, now, 4 months later, he miraculously claims that it was Hernandez who did it? And you don't think that the judge is going to laugh him out of court?

Third of all, he doesn't need to be found guilty in the civil trial (which is the least of his worries at the moment) for me to say that "some shady dealings have been going on." 2 different things have come out in the last day or two. What the hell do you expect me to say? He's an angel?

I expect you to use some LOGIC and realize that the guy who filed the lawsuit has a criminal record. That there is such thing as innocent until proven guilty in a criminal case. That way too much speculation has gone on and people and the media are already screwing things up. As I pointed out to you. You are an intelligent guy I guess I expect you to show it. Not post exaggerations. Not misquote people purposely. Not bring up things that I hadn't even weighed in on..

Fourth of all, Goodell can suspend him even before either one of these have even heard their day in court--and that's in a best case scenario where he isn't charged in the latest scandal.

Could you show me where I said anything about what Goodell could and couldn't do?

 

[manxman2601]

The evidence is currently being collected, lab tests and autopsy is being done and they are putting everything together. That is why nothing has been done and no one has been charged.

Again...it's not unreasonable to see either sides of it, so I'm not understanding the questioning of either side. If someone wants to have their opinion that he's going to be charged let them. If someone else wants to have their opinion that he's a high quality individual, let them...

But don't call them out for feeling one way or another. It's going to be a controversial issue until resolution comes. That is why I included the words "you very well may be right" in my personal responses, but to act like those who are worried are completely out of their minds when in the past 2 days he's been sued in a civil suit and been the main focus of a murden investigation to me is completely ridiculous.

I'm not taking sides on that argument, just noting that if Hernandez is implicated in any way with the murder, I'm somewhat surprised that he hasn't been interviewed. My view is that it's best to leave speculation alone and wait to see what evidence there is if any. If for no other reason that of all the scenarios discussed, most, if not all will be wrong. On the other hand, I fully recognise the impulse to do it so I don't feel the need to get preachy about it (a comment that isn't directed at anyone in particular).

 

[supafly]

Especially when you ignore what is actually said and adlib to try and make yourself look good. That's a Deus move and beneath you.

I don't think we need to bring other posters into a disagreement, and like I've said at least 5x, there seems to be a difference of opinions so why don't we just leave it at that and quit wasting ours and others' time and space?

This all stemmed from my comment about Hernandez's "shady dealings." As I repeatedly have said that is my personal belief although I also understand and see your point. You have a more optimistic approach and I admire and fully get that. In many cases I actually agree with it.

In this particular instance I am going to stand by my comments about Aherns potential "shady dealings" due to the fact that he's been sued for shooting someone in the face with an illegal weapon (however it turns out in court isn't the point to it reflecting poorly on his character), and being the main focus of a murden investigation--both within the last 48 hrs. To me that's pretty much the textbook definition of "shady dealings," and I'm really honestly not sure why you seem to have such a problem with it?

As I repeatedly have stated, I am not calling him a murderer. I am stating that I believe that he is making, and has made in the past---"shady dealings." Those were my exact words so I will continue to use them.

That's pretty much all I have to say about it, so why don't we move on and agree to disagree?

 

[Raven007]

Well just about anyway you slice this one. Greedell will see this as a black eye for the NFL. The team will suffer in some kind of punishment. Be it AHern getting fined/games missed or calls made that are ticky tack.

Protect the SHIELD.

 

[supafly]

I'm not taking sides on that argument, just noting that if Hernandez is implicated in any way with the murder, I'm somewhat surprised that he hasn't been interviewed.

He's been interviewed 3 days in a row, with the police coming to his house the past 2--last night with a very extensive search and warrant of his residence. They've also taken forensic evidence from him, along with seized cell phone records and the actual cell phones from him and his 2 friends that were at the house. They have also combed throughout his front and back yard multiple times, including the areas surrounding his house and the 1 mile in between the home and the scene of the body.

He's definitely "been interviewed" and very thoroughly. My guess is that he will continue to be interviewed until this is over. Most outlets state that he is actually at the heart of the investigation due to his ties with both the people in question and also the victim. Unfortunately it seems as though he is actually currently one of the main players in this case. Hopefully that changes and does not continue to trend in the wrong direction as it has so far.

My view is that it's best to leave speculation alone and wait to see what evidence there is if any.

I fully 100% understand and agree with that in most cases. The only real exception is discussing it on a patsfans message board to hear other opinions, since it's a very hot topic.

I am by no means finding him guilty or calling him anything, but I do not agree with some of his personal decisions that are really not much in question at this point--unless you're in serious denial or extremely optimistic; and if you are, then I admire that trait fully and wish that I could feel the same in this matter.

I personally can't help but feel that he's been involved in some poor decision making lately, but that's just part of the speculation and opinion based stuff that we're talking about. My judgment of his character could very well be off, and I certainly hope that it is.

 

[festy1986]

No. If what's being reported in this thread is true, the police would of brought him in for an interview. Pointing fingers, trying to get confessions etc..

It's the basic outline of how the first 48 works.

That being said, maybe he did that this morning when he was gone for 5 hours.

 

[supafly]

No. If what's being reported in this thread is true, the police would of brought him in for an interview. Pointing fingers, trying to get confessions etc..

It's the basic outline of how the first 48 works.

That being said, maybe he did that this morning when he was gone for 5 hours.

He's "been interviewed" 3x so far, so I'm not sure what you mean by that?

Monday evening, Tuesday afternoon/evening, and again this afternoon when they returned to the house for the second time.

There are up to the minute play by plays by Ted Daniels and Greg Bedard, so you can refer to their timelines and twitter accounts for pictures of the house, the cops, the lab set up for testing in the driveway, or anything else that you may want to know about.

As you state, he also may have been gone this morning from 8am to 1pm dealing with it down at HQ's; but interviews in the loosest terms, do not have to always occur at the police station. I'm pretty sure that they likely asked him questions during their times at his home in the past 2 days etc.

Since some outlets and cop accounts have him "cooperating" and some don't, we can only guess as to how the specific interview happened as of Monday evening/night for the initial questioning. It may have been on their turf, although I personally don't think that it matters where it happened myself.

 

[festy1986]

Then the question the other poster had has been answered.

Tomorrow is a big day, the police already know if they think he did it or was there. Can't imagine we get by tomorrow not known what it anything Hernandez is gonna be facing.

Do think its a bit weak that a police officer leaked this info when I've been staring at twitter all night tryin to see what's going on with kg and doc to the clippers with no leaks there.