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BB calls Burgess best 3-4 OLB he's had; anonymous players don't buy it per Herald


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What else would we expect from Borges this is his SOP.
 
The word "best" wasn't even used once in that entire transcript.

Right...but he did say that Burgess is "probably as good as we've had as a run player and a pass rusher."

This doesn't need interpretation. Burgess, in Belichick's eyes, is as good as Vrabel, McGinest and Colvin ever was for us.
 
I don't this it is a snap judgment.

To me, it is a considered judgment, as in, "Borges in the past has framed quotes to put BB in the worst possible light, and now we have him quoting BB in a way that none of us expected BB to speak, so I am guessing that this is more of the same old stuff Borges has been known for."

Why is that silly?

It's a snap judgment made without having all the facts. Denying that is just as silly as making such a snap judgment in the first place.
 
I prefer not to make silly snap judgments like "Borges took those comments in the worst possible frame he could find" if I can find the actual text instead.

The quote didn't change and neither did the context around it.

All I said is that Borges chose to put the quote in the worst possible frame he could.

I didn't say Borges was wrong. I said it was the worst frame he could find.

I could easily understand that from reading the quote alone.

You couldn't?

There were no snap judgments in ANYTHING I wrote. I simply said, in the range of possible interpretations, Borges picked the one that would make Belichick come out looking silly.

You couldn't understand that?
 
It's a snap judgment made without having all the facts. Denying that is just as silly as making such a snap judgment in the first place.

What snap judgment are you talking about?
 
Right...but he did say that Burgess is "probably as good as we've had as a run player and a pass rusher."

This doesn't need interpretation. Burgess, in Belichick's eyes, is as good as Vrabel, McGinest and Colvin ever was for us.

Are you certain that Belichick is talking about more than this season?
 
Bill's quote above could have been intended either this way :

probably as good as we've had, since I've been here, as a run player and a pass rusher

or this way :

probably as good as we've had, this year, as a run player and a pass rusher

This first definitely sounds stupid. The second more reasonable, though debatable.

I'm with you on this. While I think even saying that for this year is ignoring about 12 weeks of the season, at least it's not completely insane. Saying this about his entire Patriots tenure would be a sign that Mr. Belichick was in need of a straitjacket.
 
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The quote didn't change and neither did the context around it.

All I said is that Borges chose to put the quote in the worst possible frame he could.

I didn't say Borges was wrong. I said it was the worst frame he could find.

I could easily understand that from reading the quote alone.

You couldn't?

There were no snap judgments in ANYTHING I wrote. I simply said, in the range of possible interpretations, Borges picked the one that would make Belichick come out looking silly.

You couldn't understand that?

What you wrote was all about a snap judgment. Your denying that is absurd.
 
What you wrote was all about a snap judgment. Your denying that is absurd.

What specifically?

Be specific.

You never are.

Quite frankly, 99% of the time I have no clue what you're going on about.
 
Q: How has Derrick Burgess been coming along?

BB: Derrick has done a good job for us all year. He really has. He's been productive both in the passing game and in the running game. I think overall his run play has been good. He's a very consistent player. There are some players that rush the passer and they kind of rush the passer on every play and that's great on the passes, but then sometimes that can hurt you in the running game. Derrick really plays consistently on everything and he's done an excellent job in the running game for us – probably as good as we've had as a run player and a pass rusher. When they run the ball, he does a good job. When they throw the ball, he's competitive on the pass rush. I think sometimes guys lean a little more towards one than the other, but I'd say overall his play has been consistent on a down-after-down basis at a position that everybody kind of focuses on the passing part of it. But he's been in there on a lot of running plays and he's done a good job on the draws, the screens, the sub runs. He's made a number of plays for us on that. I think he's had – right from the beginning, going all the way back to the Buffalo game – he's had a good, solid year.

Reading the actual transcript, there's no doubt in my mind that BB is only talking about how Burgess fits in the framework of THIS YEAR'S team. No surprise that Burgess put the worst possible interpretation on the words and took them out of context. What an @ss. And why hasn't the rag that calls itself the Herald NOT gone under yet?? I certainly would never read it willingly. It has lost all credibility as a 'journalistic' institution. And I don't understand why anyone else would read it either.
 
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Are you certain that Belichick is talking about more than this season?

Good point. Let's all assume that he's talking about just this year because it would be an insult to McGinest, Vrabel, and Colvin.
 
Right...but he did say that Burgess is "probably as good as we've had as a run player and a pass rusher."

This doesn't need interpretation. Burgess, in Belichick's eyes, is as good as Vrabel, McGinest and Colvin ever was for us.

No, that's not what he said. From the moment I read the quote it was pretty clear to me BB was talking about on the team this year.
 
Right...but he did say that Burgess is "probably as good as we've had as a run player and a pass rusher."

This doesn't need interpretation. Burgess, in Belichick's eyes, is as good as Vrabel, McGinest and Colvin ever was for us.

Your interpretation assumes facts not in evidence.
 
What specifically?

Be specific.

You never are.

Quite frankly, 99% of the time I have no clue what you're going on about.

Given that I posted the snap judgment, it's pretty clear that I was, in fact, specific. As for you having a clue any percentage of the time, about what I, or anyone else, is 'going on about', or about anything else for that matter, that's not really something that can be freely discussed here.
 
Incoming passive-aggressive showdown detected. Brace for impact!
 
Right...but he did say that Burgess is "probably as good as we've had as a run player and a pass rusher."

This doesn't need interpretation. Burgess, in Belichick's eyes, is as good as Vrabel, McGinest and Colvin ever was for us.

I disagree. The way it's worded, he's speaking in the context of how Burgess has played this season. Thus it stands to reason he's talking about this season only, which if you go by past history, is usually all he's willing to talk about while there are still games to be played.

As for whether calling Burgess the best vs. the run and pass is debatable, think of it this way... I think he's saying he's the best COMBINATION of those two we have this year among the linebackers. It can easily be argued that he's better against the run than Banta-Cain, and no one else among the linebackers has been better rushing the passer.
 
Right...but he did say that Burgess is "probably as good as we've had as a run player and a pass rusher."

This doesn't need interpretation. Burgess, in Belichick's eyes, is as good as Vrabel, McGinest and Colvin ever was for us.

Last time I checked, none of those guys are Patriots. He didn't say that Burgess has been as good as anyone they've had since he's coached here. He was talking in a slightly more immediate context...
 
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Your interpretation assumes facts not in evidence.

What?

My interpretation is based on what BB says.

Nowhere in the interview did Belichick say that he was comparing Burgess to the personnel this year.
 
The best part of that ridiculous article was a comment:

"Dear Mr. Borges,

Why do you hate me so much?

Sincerely,

Mr. Rational Football Writing"
 
What?

My interpretation is based on what BB says.

Nowhere in the interview did Belichick say that he was comparing Burgess to the personnel this year.

Oh really?

This doesn't need interpretation. Burgess, in Belichick's eyes, is as good as Vrabel, McGinest and Colvin ever was for us.

If you're going by what Belichick said explicitly, then how on earth can you justify the aforementioned quote? Using Occam's razor, we can reasonably interpret what Belichick was saying. But the ambiguity didn't exactly prevent you from jumping to the opposite conclusion, now did it?
 
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