Jerome Bettis on Suggs Penalty

[Bella*chick]

It warranted a flag because although the contact was minimal the intent was not. Brady knew that, and that is why he called attention to it. If they can get away with going for the QB's knees all day long and the only penalty results if they happen to land the hit, defenders will play those odds all day long in the hope of knocking him out of the game. Then if they do, after collecting high fives from dirtbag coaches and teamates, they will sheepishly pay their fine and blubber about how they never wanted to hurt a fellow player.

EXCELLENT point. That completely sums it up for me.

 

[Kontradiction]

On top of that, the Suggs contact was minimal but there was obvious intent behind it. If Brady hadn't have seen it coming, the contact is not minimal and we're without #12 for an entire season again.

 

[shmessy]

He slapped his helmet. Wright's penalty was ridiculous as well. If the Ngata penalty had been HELMET TO HELMET then I would see where you're coming from.

Evidently, your argument is with THE RULE, not with THE CALL.

There's a difference.

It means you're complaining about the wrong thing. They called the same thing on Wright. The CALL was correct. Whine and moan about the RULE all you want (and I would agree with you).

Classic example of "It is what it is".

 

[BSR]

It warranted a flag because although the contact was minimal the intent was not. Brady knew that, and that is why he called attention to it. If they can get away with going for the QB's knees all day long and the only penalty results if they happen to land the hit, defenders will play those odds all day long in the hope of knocking him out of the game. Then if they do, after collecting high fives from dirtbag coaches and teamates, they will sheepishly pay their fine and blubber about how they never wanted to hurt a fellow player.

Back in the day this type of stuff was policed by the players themselves. That type of play would have meant a shot at the legs of suggs on the next play by the O linemen. They are probably all better off this way. Just stay away from another players knees. Is that so hard?

 

[Kontradiction]

Evidently, your argument is with THE RULE, not with THE CALL.

There's a difference.

It means you're complaining about the wrong thing.

THAT is "where you're coming from".

No it's not. That's a strawman argument you're attempting to make against me. I have no problem with a rule that was set up to help keep guys away from helmet to helmet contact, which causes concussions. However, a slap to the helmet does not cause a concussion unless you're getting slapped by the Incredible Hulk, in which case you would be dead anyway. The call on Ngata was very, very weak. If I were a Ravens fan, I would be more pissed off about that than I would the Suggs penalty. If we wipe the three points off the board that we received from that, the Ravens are able to kick a field goal and send the game into overtime instead of having to try to score a TD at the end there.

 

[shmessy]

Back in the day this type of stuff was policed by the players themselves. That type of play would have meant a shot at the legs of suggs on the next play by the O linemen. They are probably all better off this way. Just stay away from another players knees. Is that so hard?

Evidently, that depends on the IQ of the player and coach.

 

[shmessy]

No it's not. That's a strawman argument you're attempting to make against me. I have no problem with a rule that was set up to help keep guys away from helmet to helmet contact, which causes concussions. However, a slap to the helmet does not cause a concussion unless you're getting slapped by the Incredible Hulk, in which case you would be dead anyway. The call on Ngata was very, very weak. If I were a Ravens fan, I would be more pissed off about that than I would the Suggs penalty. If we wipe the three points off the board that we received from that, the Ravens are able to kick a field goal and send the game into overtime instead of having to try to score a TD at the end there.

"I have no problem with a rule that was set up to help keep guys away from helmet to helmet contact, which causes concussions."

Guess what??? You are making up the rules there (or conveniently leaving them out).

Anytime you hit the QB's helmet, you're flagged. It is not only limited to helmet to helmet.

The CALL isn't weak, the RULE may be.

You still are whining about the Ngata call without mourning the Wright call. They were the same thing. And the CALLS were correct.

It's as if you're complaining to your Mayor about your state univeristy's hockey team.

Seriously, get an address book or a GPS system because you're shooting in the wrong direction.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

QB's should get hit too.

Just not in the knees.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

I really hope nothing bad ever happens to your quarterback. Really. But if, God forbid, it does, you'll know where the people around here are coming from.

Oh for the love of God, Brady isn't the first QB to ever get hurt. The Bengals have lost Palmer twice in recent years. How many times has Pennington gone done? How sorry do you feel for the fish?

I hope Manning never gets hurt either, but don't act like it only happens to Brady or that it's a bigger deal when it happened to Brady. It's football. People get hurt. I don't want to see any QB hurt, but I don't want to see a game decided by a crappy rule either.

I know where people here are "coming from". It's a bad rule. That Suggs call was a joke.

 

[BradyManny]

You should actually read what I said then. I said protect the knees and the head, but let the QB get hit anywhere else. That's football. You can't possibly tell me that you think the Ngata penalty warranted a flag.

I agree it probably did not warrant a penalty - but neither did the Wright one, so I don't see why the Ravens are up in arms. If anything, the one by Ngata was worse as Brady's helmet was falling off his face when he got up (I'm not sure how honestly, b/c I agree it looks like Ngata hardly hit him), Wright briefly put his hand in Flacco's face before removing it.

As long as the refs are consistent and call the rules as they are written, I don't see how the Ravens have any reason to complain. I agree, as a spectator, sure, I don't really like seeing either the Wright or Ngata play called a penalty. Suggs, I agree, that was a different story.

Perhaps they should separate RTP penalties in the manner they have PI. They could have an "illegal contact" category for QBs, and deem some contact on the QB as 5 yards instead of 15.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Evidently, your argument is with THE RULE, not with THE CALL.

There's a difference.

It means you're complaining about the wrong thing. They called the same thing on Wright. The CALL was correct. Whine and moan about the RULE all you want (and I would agree with you).

Classic example of "It is what it is".

Agreed, this is a distinction that needs to be made before anyone argues anything about what happened. Is it the call or the rule being argued? Because people can argue the rule all they want, but that doesn't make the call wrong.

 

[Kontradiction]

"I have no problem with a rule that was set up to help keep guys away from helmet to helmet contact, which causes concussions."

Guess what??? You are making up the rules there (or conveniently leaving them out).

You're being overly literal and you're doing it on purpose. We both know why the rule was set up, and it wasn't to prevent pansy little slaps to the helmet. The rule was set up for helmet-to-helmet contact.

Anytime you hit the QB's helmet, you're flagged. It is not only limited to helmet to helmet.

I've been playing and following football my whole life, and I can't honestly remember one time where a defender has drawn a flag for a slap to the helmet on a sack. However, since you're saying this with such conviction, I'll assume you do. Please feel free to tell all of us about an instance in the NFL (hell, I'll give you college to) where you remember this happening WITHOUT using Google. Sorry to say, but I think you'll be hard pressed to do it. I think you'd be hard pressed to do it even WITH Google.

The CALL isn't weak, the RULE may be.

No, the rule isn't weak. It just assumes that the average fan and the refs know what "helmet contact" means when it's become apparent over the last couple of days that they don't. The call was weak. Like I said before, if you believe that a smack to the helmet during a sack warrants a flag and a 15 yard penalty then football quite obviously isn't for you.

You still are whining about the Ngata call without mourning the Wright call. They were the same thing. And the CALLS were correct.

It's as if you're complaining to your Mayor about your state univeristy's hockey team.

Is that so? Let me take you on a real blast from the past here...

He slapped his helmet. Wright's penalty was ridiculous as well. If the Ngata penalty had been HELMET TO HELMET then I would see where you're coming from. As it turns out, it wasn't. Perhaps we should just make all hits on the QB illegal? Yeah, that would awesome. Then, that way, we wouldn't even have to pay a defense and can just invest all of our money in offensive skill players to win games scoring 86-84. Come on, man. You can't honestly believe that the Ngata "hit" warranted a penalty. If you do then, like I said, please feel free to go follow the ballet.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-jerome-bettis-suggs-penalty.html#post1539182

Funny story as that was from 10:22 A.M. this morning and the person I was responding to was... you. But I'm not just going to stop there. Here is proof that my criticism of the Wright call crosses the interweb...

Joe Flacco cost them that game with that bad INT. Those calls went both ways. Let's not forget that Mike Wright had a bull**** roughing call as well.

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Seriously, get an address book or a GPS system because you're shooting in the wrong direction.

My gun is pointed in the direction that the league is going in with these calls. So yes, you're right. It is the wrong direction.

 

[shmessy]

Oh for the love of God, Brady isn't the first QB to ever get hurt. The Bengals have lost Palmer twice in recent years. How many times has Pennington gone done? How sorry do you feel for the fish?

I hope Manning never gets hurt either, but don't act like it only happens to Brady or that it's a bigger deal when it happened to Brady. It's football. People get hurt. I don't want to see any QB hurt, but I don't want to see a game decided by a crappy rule either.

I know where people here are "coming from". It's a bad rule. That Suggs call was a joke.

Obviously, you're a Colts fan and therefore, a product of an Indiana (or similarly down-sized) education.

The RULE may be a joke. The CALL was perfectly correct to the RULE. Can you not comprehend the distinction? The refs cannot make up stuff - they are charged with calling by the rules

Do you need someone to help you find the right bus?

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

Obviously, you're a Colts fan and therefore, a product of an Indiana (or similarly down-sized) education.

The RULE may be a joke. The CALL was perfectly correct to the RULE. Can you not comprehend the distinction? The refs cannot make up stuff - they are charged with calling by the rules

Do you need someone to help you find the right bus?

Responding with insults. Imagine a Pats fan doing that.

The call was ridiculous (IMO). Maybe it was within the rules, but the refs have to use discretion. If they called every penalty the game would be one nonstop flag fest. The refs use discretion on most calls right? There isn't a machine that makes calls or a formula they use.

Calling a penalty on that Suggs play is a joke.

 

[Kontradiction]

I know where people here are "coming from". It's a bad rule. That Suggs call was a joke.

Cool. Well, since it was such a joke, maybe he'll do it to Manning later on this season and maybe Manning won't be able to move in time like Brady did. If that happens, please come back on here and tell us all how you laughed with your friends about it because it was such a joke.

 

[BradyManny]

Calling a penalty on that Suggs play is a joke.

What would've happened if Brady hadn't hopped out of the way? He had 260 lbs of Baltimore Raven diving at his knees.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

Cool. Well, since it was such a joke, maybe he'll do it to Manning later on this season and maybe Manning won't be able to move in time like Brady did. If that happens, please come back on here and tell us all how you laughed with your friends about it because it was such a joke.

Yeah, Manning has never had a low shot thrown his way before. No other QB in the league has ever had to step out of the way of a rusher like Brady.

No other QB has ever been hurt before.

I wonder how non-Patriot fans would respond to something like that?

 

[Kontradiction]

Yeah, Manning has never had a low shot thrown his way before. No other QB in the league has ever had to step out of the way of a rusher like Brady.

No other QB has ever been hurt before.

I wonder how non-Patriot fans would respond to something like that?

Please quote where I said literally ANY of that.

 

[BSR]

Yeah, Manning has never had a low shot thrown his way before. No other QB in the league has ever had to step out of the way of a rusher like Brady.

No other QB has ever been hurt before.

I wonder how non-Patriot fans would respond to something like that?

I guess we would respond with the obvious answer of: Yes, of course there have. That's the point. Lots of other quarterbacks have been hurt by low shots to the legs. You don't think Polian changed the rule to protect only Tom Brady, do you?

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

Please quote where I said literally ANY of that.

No you're right, you asked how I would feel if Suggs brushed close to Manning like he did Brady and to come back and let you know.

Manning has been playing since 98. Do you honestly think he hasn't taken shots that make Suggs falling towards Brady and barely touching him look like the joke it was?

If Manning gets hurt, by playing football, so be it.

Joe Theisman got hurt. Joe Montana got hurt. Johnny U got hurt. Dan Marino got hurt. McNabb got hurt. Aikman got hurt. Young got hurt.

QB's get hurt.