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Another vid montage that would be good is Tom moving in the pocket,
feet like a boxer that kid has.
Still jumps rope everyday, I think?
Another lesson learned from Joe.
Nice post on the sacks, ivanvamp.
Is there a Brady prototype in the draft, pocket passer, smart, obsessed with winning, tall, wants to win 7 super bowls, marry a supermodel?
There must be one, somewhere.
The only scrambling I like is with eggs.
Both start with something getting broken.
Stuff in a blender is good too.
Which reminds me about a mayhem making,
defensive monster of a menace.
A guy who just likes to break things.
Lives to break things, and is pretty much incapable of happiness,
until he has broken something.
Then he smiles.
We are going to get one, you know it!
it is a bit like Christmas.
Thanks Mr Kraft.
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This year of all years I'd be stunned to see them do that, especially the way KOC washed out and got run over by an UDFA. At that level you need to draft a player who should be viable at least as a backup if not in your system at least in someones...and fourth string on the JETS doesn't count as viable.
I strongly disagree. While Belichick expects production out of everyone he picks - especially third rounders and up, he, better than all of us, know that ultimately it's a crap shoot.
If an undrafted rookie can beat out a 3rd round pick and prove he's the best man on the roster, Belichick doesn't think twice about cutting the 3rd rounder. He's looking for the best guys regardless of where they drafted.
Other coaches/GMs take a very different view and will keep a lesser guy on the roster simply because of pride where they were drafted, like the Jets and Woodhead.
Belichick will cut a drafted guy and keep a Woodhead and not think twice about it.
As far as drafting a QB high in the draft, Belichick knows that where guys like Hoyer or Cassel (or Brady for that matter) has little bearing on their actual prospects in the NFL. But if he sees a guy he thinks is the right person at the right opportunity for Belichick, he'll draft them, regardless of criticism or where everyone else had the prospect ranked.
Cassel will either be ruined by Haley by then or have survived him to become a QB so valuable the Chief's wouldn't be interested in trading...
Bill will get Tommy's replacement from the same place he got Tommy, day 3 of the draft and developed under Tom in the system.
Generally speaking it's easier to teach the system to a rookie QB who fits the profile than it is to unteach bad habits learned elsewhere to a veteran QB...although he would likely also start kicking the tires on some veteran backups when the time comes.
QB's drafted much earlier tend to be less coachable or adaptable because they have been conditioned to think it's all about their measurables talent. QB's who are playing now will either be too valuable to trade or not worth the price. Situations like the Cassel one are few and far between, and his value was largely tied to having been developed HERE. Remember, Bill's actually kicked a lot of tires over the last decade and only a handful could remotely run this offense. To date that handful were all what scouts would have characterized at best as diamond in the rough potential career NFL backups...
Even Rogers who was a late first round faller and had to muster some real mental toughness to sit for 3 seasons in a nearly no win situation behind the thing that wouldn't leave.
I think the way Brady's extension was done lends itself to one more incremental 2-4 year extension at the mid point of his current deal (2013) at which time BB will also have been extended another 4-5. I don't think Tommy's replacement needs to be on the roster before 2013-14 because I don't think he will see the field much before 2016. I think in the interim Bill would be happy to develop trading chips behind Tom, any of which might provide value as Tom's bachup before becoming the chip that helps replace him without dipping into draft picks better spent in the trenches and in insuring that guy takes over a team that doesn't need the next Tom Brady to be a contender. 'Cause you may never find THAT guy again.
This pretty much covers it. Start thinking back-up for the future in 2014/2015.
Even our 3rd rounders are too valuable in a shallow draft as trading chips to move up to secure the players we truly need or to insure we have multiple seconds in 2012. Forget about wasting any of the higher picks on a player who may never see the field here... That's what foolish teams like the Dolphins do...
Hoyer is signed through 2011 and due to be an RFA in 2012. So I think we certainly should consider drafting a QB in the latter rounds if in fact one like McElroy is available in the 4th or later. Unless we have a target QB in mind no one's talking up who is unlikely to be drafted like a Hoyer... But the first 100 picks in a shallow draft are too valuable to waste on a player who will have a hard time ever seeing the field here. We're looking to replace the backup, not the starter at this juncture...
Brady's 33 now. He'll be 34 at the start of the 2011 season (assuming there is one), signed through the 2014 season and at the startof the 2015 season he'll be 38 years old.
I'm not saying he will be washed up, but I'm saying the Belichick will adopt the thinking that he shouldn't bank on Brady being either healthy or with the same level of skills.
So, assuming we're not all thinking that Hoyer is not just a capable backup but the next franchise QB of the Patriots, I'd say finding a potential QB who you give 1, 2, preferably 3 seasons minimum to adust, develop and learn the system, will be a top priority over the next 4 years.
As 3 years development would be my preference, is giving someone 4 years really such a stretch of the imagination?
So yes, I absolutely see the Patriots looking closely at QBs in the draft - and if someone with high upside that meets Belichick's criteria is available, Belichick will take him. And Belichick wants him knowing other teams deam the guy a 3rd or 4th round pick, Belichick will understand the fundamental rule of the NFL draft:
If there's someone you want, you need to take him before someone else does
Meaning simply, that if everyone deems a guy a 4th round pick and Belichick wants him, he'll use a 3rd round pick to get him, regardless of where others say he "should" have been drafted.
This pretty much covers it. Start thinking back-up for the future in 2014/2015.
Whoa - as much as we all hope Brady is playing at MVP levels at age 40, I don't think anyone, most of all Belichick, would bank on it.
Belichick WILL be looking for Tom's successor over the coming years - don't kid yourself. If Tom is still the man he'll have the job and Belichick will have an excellent backup or tradeable commodity on his hands.
Few are concerned with finding Brian Hoyer's successor - though I suppose even that won't wait til 2015.
The last thing a coach like Belichick would do is wait til 2014/15 to start thinking about someone who might compete with a 38 year old Tom Brady for a starting job. You give a young QB a MINIMUM of 2-3 years... meaning you'd be looking to draft such a player next season at the latest...
So a suggestion that Belichick may be looking for Brady's successor as soon as 4 years out is not a big stretch at all.
In fact there's a QB who comes to mind was drafted in 2005 who didn't start until his 4th season and things generally worked out pretty well - any guesses who that is? I'll give you a hint. He just won the Super Bowl.
Amen, he's mobile enough to roll out well but not so much that he's going to be a runningback with an arm, I think he'll be a pocket passer who uses his legs as an icing on the cake.
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I don't think Belichick is concerned about the future beyond Tom Brady. As long as Brady is there and effective, the window for Super Bowl runs is open, and thats their focus.
He'll get a guy who will have the chance at being a successor, but Brady is 34, not 38. He has plenty of time. But I strongly believe Belichick has hitches his wagon to Brady (same with Brady to Bill's), and both will retire about the same time.
Brady may be 34, but he doesn't look like the kind of QB that would like to play into his 40s. He's a Namath-kind of QB, not a Manning-kind of QB. Always has.
I'm thinking about the possibility of Belichick trading for a 2012 1st round pick thinking about drafting his successor. That should be a better draft class with more NFL ready QBs.
I respectfully disagree with you good sir. Brady has indeed stated that he would like to play until he is 40 and he also said that he didn't like doing anything else. This is a guy who loves football just as much as Manning does. Whats a Namath kind of qb? Tom Brady is his own man. He is not Joe Namath.
Trading for a pick in 2012 would be all but useless since Brady will probably play until he is 43-45. The 2012 qb you proposed would be about 31-32 by then.
A Manning qb? Whats that? The notion that Brady will be hanging them up anytime soon is just silly. This aint 1978 anymore homey. Modern medicine has progressed and athletes are lasting longer than ever. Plus, NFL rules will probably force qbs to wear flags by 2013. Brady may just play until he is 50!