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***shmessy*** · 01-09-2013, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by letekro

The rare triple negative! Well played!

Quadruple, actually! "Unconcious" could count as a negative also!

Fencer · 01-09-2013, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Claremonster

Throughout the years there were qb's that could run. It's funny that the media makes up the dumb headlines like having a mobile qb is a brand new concept.

Top 10 mobile quarterbacks in NFL history

With the sole exception of Steve Young, the QBs on that list who were highly successful didn't illustrate their mobility via rushing plays.

I actually think of Elway, who was somewhere between a Big Ben and a Steve Young type, and who prospered under ... Shanahan. That's probably Shanahan's mental model for QB toughness.

Fencer · 01-09-2013, 05:52 AM

The problem is that one rushing play can be the equivalent of several sacks or knockdowns in terms of taking hits. With the precision a QB needs in using various body parts, I don't see how he can take that kind of punishment and be/remain a top-notch passer.

Bella*chick · 01-09-2013, 06:56 AM

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He's going to have a hard time getting back to being what he was let alone refocusing on his passing game any time soon. His entire 2013 offseason will be rehab. Then there is the mental hurdle of playing on a now twice reconstructed knee to overcome. We've seen first hand that recovering from any ACL surgery can be a process. AP would appear to be the recent exception to that rule, but the position he plays translates easier than say a QB or WR once rehabbed or drafted.

I read that Peterson also had freakish genetics. As in, when his knee was opened up for surgery, Andrews said it was "like a newborn baby's" in that it didn't have the wear and tear you'd expect (besides the injury, of course). That's gotta help you bounce back. Griffin's knee situation is a tad different.

PatriotSeven · 01-09-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella*chick

He came out strong, but Aikman even noted he looked worse during pregame warmups than he did during the Dallas game. Bottom line he went down twice without contact. They were trying to say his knee was 100% (and if it was a grade 1 LCL sprain it should have been close to that by now as they said that's a 2-4 week recovery) and the brace was precautionary. It so clearly was not. 100% knees do not go out like that.

I've seen guys tear their ACL on plays a lot less dangerous than that one. See Santonio Holmes.

Tears aren't about the hit. They are about over-extensions and the way he fell there, with his ankle twisted on the side and shin caught up underneath is no joke. Not to mention his ACL was already reconstructed in college and having already sprained his LCL.

I hope he does recover within 8 months but it sounds awfully optimistic considering its both his LCL and ACL and this is now his second ACL reconstruction. Bring him back too early, and it will be as stupid as letting him play in that game especially with the dirtier defensive players out there wanting to "test" his knee.

Bella*chick · 01-09-2013, 08:32 AM

yeah, it's a complete knee reconstruction on a knee that already had the ACL repaired. 6-8 months sounds....almost like someone who wants everyone to think he could be back for next year while this issue still has so many people pissed off. Then as time goes on, and people accept it and calm down, people can get more realistic.

One more injury to that knee and he's done for sure. Really sad.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 01-09-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

Quadruple, actually! "Unconcious" could count as a negative also!

True, although I believe that sentence is missing an "until."

***ctpatsfan77*** · 01-09-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fencer

The problem is that one rushing play can be the equivalent of several sacks or knockdowns in terms of taking hits. With the precision a QB needs in using various body parts, I don't see how he can take that kind of punishment and be/remain a top-notch passer.

When the news came out on Monday, someone on ESPN Radio basically said two things:

(1) RG3 has the throwing ability to become more of a pocket passer (à la Brady and Manning) than a dual-threat QB (à la RG3 in 2012).

(2) The Redskins are, for all practical purposes, running a college offense in the NFL. Given how NFL defenses evolve (see: neutering of Wildcat), and RG3's condition, they may have to revamp the offense soon.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 01-09-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella*chick

yeah, it's a complete knee reconstruction on a knee that already had the ACL repaired. 6-8 months sounds....almost like someone who wants everyone to think he could be back for next year while this issue still has so many people pissed off. Then as time goes on, and people accept it and calm down, people can get more realistic.

One more injury to that knee and he's done for sure. Really sad.

Very perceptive. I picked up on the same strategy. Stall the diagnosis until the first wave of critics gets their best shot in, distract critics by focusing on alternate scenarios concerning exactly when injuries occurred, then allow worst casers to create atmosphere to the point that best case scenario leaks lead positive thinkers to develop the dodged a bullit mentality.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 01-09-2013, 09:45 AM

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I've seen guys tear their ACL on plays a lot less dangerous than that one. See Santonio Holmes.

Tears aren't about the hit. They are about over-extensions and the way he fell there, with his ankle twisted on the side and shin caught up underneath is no joke. Not to mention his ACL was already reconstructed in college and having already sprained his LCL.

I hope he does recover within 8 months but it sounds awfully optimistic considering its both his LCL and ACL and this is now his second ACL reconstruction. Bring him back too early, and it will be as stupid as letting him play in that game especially with the dirtier defensive players out there wanting to "test" his knee.

The LCL sprain and how they managed that was key. They failed to. That was likely amenable to healing on it's own given time to. But they didn't. And it being even stretched because of it's effect on stability made it ripe to set up a perfect storm situation where both it and shortly thereafter the ACL blew out altogether. The more common MCL injuries heal faster and impact ACL slightly less dramatically from an acute structural stability standpoint, yet guys routinely miss a couple of weeks and/or are limited in ways this kid never was. The way Cousin's performed in relief should have given Shanny both opportunity and pause on rushing this kid back. He took the cowards way out all around.