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Better NFL offense: Patriots or Saints?

TBradyOwnsYou · 05-31-2012, 02:52 PM

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This year's potential line ups:

QB: Pats. Brady is better than Brees IMO and Brees could very possibly sit out which must be taken in to account.
RB: Saints. We have Woody. You win.
WR: Pats. Brady is surrounded by binkies. Records will break.
TE: Pats. Gronknandez is unstoppable in all aspects of TE play. Does Graham even know how to spell the word block?
OL: Pats. I admit this one may be pure homer bias.
Coach: Pats. Duh.

everlong · 05-31-2012, 03:09 PM

In the dome the Saints were the better offense last year by a slim margin. Outside of the dome the Patriots were the better offense by a wider margin.

Breese -22 home to road QBR
Brady +10 home to road QBR

Patriots scored 25 more points on the road than at home
Saints scored 89 more points at home than on the road

The Saints didn't play an outdoor cold weather game. The Patriots didn't play an indoor game and they are historically great with Brady inside. The Patriots entire second half of the season was outside in cold weather cities, not that the weather was cold every week.

No offense but they wouldn't have the same offense outside so IMO they're not as good as NE or GB.

sly24 · 05-31-2012, 06:07 PM

I think all the dome games is the biggest factor here (stats). I would say the Pats have the better offense but it is close.

Ron Sellers · 06-01-2012, 07:01 PM

In 2011 the Saints offense was better. More points, more passing yards, more rushing yards. Brees had more options. The productivity at the running back position wasn't close.

Looking ahead to 2012 it's a tossup.
- Brady or Brees, take your pick.
- Vereen and Ridley are still unproven and Sproles is much better than Woodhead, so the Saints still have the edge at RB with Ingram, Thomas and Ivory.
- However at WR the Saints lost Meacham while the Pats added Lloyd and Gaffney, so there's a good chance the Pats will have a superior WR unit.
- Jimmy Graham is awesome but the Saints TEs do not compare to Gronkowski, Hernandez and Fells.
- Saints lost G Carl Nicks but replaced him with Ben Grubbs; maybe not a wash, but close to it. Pats lost LT Matt Light but his replacement Nate Solder should continue to improve, making that a wash. RT Sebastian Vollmer returns and in case he cannot Marcus Cannon is ready to go. LG Logan Mankins did have an ACL injury in the Super Bowl but Dan Connolly has already proven he can step right in without missing a beat. If that is the case Dan Koppen is back after missing 2011 to take over at center. Overall I would give the Pats a slight edge on the OL.
- The wildcard in all of this is the effect of no Sean Payton, and a possible Drew Brees holdout.

Overall I would say the Pats are more likely to have a better offense in 2012 than the Saints, but it could easily go either way. If that is to be the case the Pats need to get more production from the RB position than they did last year and spread the ball around more than they did in 2011.

PatsSox363804 · 06-03-2012, 10:09 AM

The Saints have more weapons out of the backfield which you have to account for and it opens up their offense. I think sproles and Thomas added something like 1200 yards to Brees' totals on dump offs that they took 20-30 yards. It's an element the Patriots should work on.

I'd say this year the Pats are superior at receiver and tight end with the additions of lloyd and gaffney and the saints losing meachem. Running back easily goes to new orleans until vereen and Ridley show they can handle the load. QB is a wash olines are a wash. Coaching goes to new England with Payton suspended.

pherein · 06-04-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sly24

I think all the dome games is the biggest factor here (stats). I would say the Pats have the better offense but it is close.

But if we are better in a dome, and you can't beat us there, and your better on grass and we can't beat you, whats the differnce ? Your stats are on grass, is that a factor we should discount?

We going to call you a grass team? lol

pherein · 06-04-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Sellers

- However at WR the Saints lost Meacham while the Pats added Lloyd and Gaffney, so there's a good chance the Pats will have a superior WR unit.

Patriots have a better TE core. But Im still debating WR in my own head.
Is?
Lloyd going to = or be better than Colston. Not so far.
Gaffney going to = or better than Moore. Not so far.
Plus we still have henderson, Arrington, and Toon. Don't expect much from Toon, even thou the media does. Arrington was drafted to replace Colston. He's ok, catches 82%, but no Colston.
But he's never been played much.

OL seems to be a wash, but I think Light is better than Bushrod, but your weaker on the right side with Vollmer and Waters. Our weak spot might be in the center with Puente and Tennant as C, and Grubbs being a new LG.

I still think you have the better QB, their equally smart, but Brady has abilities Brees just dosnt have. yeah your RB's are not as good, lol I mean really not good. That might change, Thomas was unknown. Ridley or Vereen might do someting. Its hard to figure out. Im just trying to get over the WR hump at the moment.

***ausbacker*** · 06-04-2012, 11:45 PM

Patriots. They score more and they win more. It's that simple.

Whichever position, they are both excellent to watch.

everlong · 06-05-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein

But if we are better in a dome, and you can't beat us there, and your better on grass and we can't beat you, whats the differnce ? Your stats are on grass, is that a factor we should discount?

We going to call you a grass team? lol

Except the Patriots are very good in a dome. The Saints numbers go down outside dramatically. The Patriots even though it's on the road are better in domes. Everybody is. Eli, Ben and other cold weather QBs all have better splits in domes even though it's road games. All Dome QBs do worse outside without exception. Brees and Peyton dramatically so.