Originally Posted by everlong
Welker never had over 700 something yards before teaming with Brady and Colston has had Brees so as of now there's really no comparision as Colston is the clear winner. If Colston signed as a free agent with Tampa however and Lloyd in NE their numbers would be quite different.
Moore is a different type of receiver. Lloyd was creating offense on his own with his athletic ability. Moore agreed has great hands but he's not going to out leap Lloyd nor does he have his ability to seperate down the field. Moore wouldn't have the openings under neath in a different offense. Josh Freeman for instance would waste Moore's talents.
I'll take an over/under bet on Lloyd's production this year with the caveat that if he gets hurt all bets are off. Barring that He'll go over 60/1000/10.
Having Brady or brees as a QB can only make you look better. Id have to say most of my reasoning to say Llyod would never be as good as Colston is the physical traits and catching ability.
Colston 6'4, 225 lbs, 4.50 in the 40, 37 vertical
Lloyd 6'0, 190 lbs, 4.62 in the 40, 36 vertical
Colston can out muscle most CB's for the ball, and I think he's proved that his catching ability is in the elite category. Colston makes Brees look good because he's a huge target that can catch impossible balls on the edge of his area. Not like meachem, who is a excellent WR, but can not usually catch fully extended.
Breaking all rookie records his 1st year is pretty impressive even with a Brees as a QB.
I dont consider Gronks breaking all the TE/passing/etc.. records to be diminish because he has Brady as a QB. It helped,lol, but he still had to do it, and if you stuck any other TE in his place for that season, even Graham, I don't see them doing the same.
Lloyds vertical is pretty impressive, considering his size. But his speed and mass put him at a disadvantage when comparing him to Colston.
Ive always thought that having Colston on the Patriots, with less targets than the Saints have had, he would have had 300-500 extra yards a year, and more TD's.
Your completely right there is no way to be sure, if the situation where reversed.
But my gut tells me that there are elite WR like Fitzgerald, Moss, Carter, Johnson, etc..
in the NFL. Who seem to perform at a high level, and have an amazing work ethic, no matter what situation they are in.
I put Colston in that category. I don't have Lloyd in the category , yet. But my opinion is just that, and no way to prove it,lol.
Almost everything you said comparing Lloyd and Moore I agree with, except getting open underneath. Moore is the best route runner on our team, a the favorite WR of Brees, he's said that. Moore never quits on a play and is open probably more than any target on the Saints. He's just a slippery little guy with, 4.5 speed, and great hands. But Freeman would waste his talents. He needs a Brees or Brady to be as effective as he has been, and Llyod is better.
I think thats a safe bet
, wouldn't surprise me if he had 70/1200/10 either.