Originally Posted by Ron Sellers
Just to clarify I purposely avoided comparing same position vs same position, which is why I did not compare Welker to Moore and why I did compare Hernandez to Sproles; it was more an attempt to equalize the comparison of percentage of production.
Yeah, I saw that, was just wondering if its logical to compare best player to player from top to bottom or should it be by position. We don't have a guy with Welkers abilities.
Even Colston is not going to beat Welker. I was more aiming toward who's the better at a position, not player, because then we could find some weak spots, and who could field the better complete offense with the most weapons to be effective.
Asume we are playing each other and we both have the same horrid defense we enjoyed last year.
TE position for example :
TE = Graham, Thomas, Higgens Vs Gronk, Hernz, Fells
While Graham and Gronk are a wash , in my mind, Hernz is better than Thomas. So, you win on depth and secondary skill in that position .
But Hernz is not really a 2nd TE, he's used unnaturally as another WR, as you field 2 TE's.
We only field 2 TE's on a run play or a trick play.
That would put Welker, Gronk, Branch, and Hernz, with BJGE in the back field vs Saints Graham, Colston, Moore, and Meachem, with Thomas in the Back field, last year. With In a spread type offense situation.
Sense we both have solid OL, that gives the Saints the advantage, because all of our WR's are better than Branch ( no offense, I like Branch), and BJGE can't screen or run better than Thomas.
Let me know if I have that line up right, ok
This year they have to fit in Llyod and Gaffney, and Branch becomes a secondary guy.
Im guessing Lloyd is the #1 RWR , and Gaffney is his second. While Welker is the #2 LWR, and Branch will be his second.
so, assuming what I know today. Our spread offenses would be
LWR= Welker, TE = Gronk, TE= Hernz, RWR= Lloyd, and RB = Ridley ?
LWR=Colston, TE= Graham, SWR= Moore, RWR= Henderson, and RB= Sproles
Is that correct?
ITs difficult for me to place R or L on a WR's with the saints because we don't line up that way.
They line up on the mismatch, and we only have #1, 2, 3 and etc. WR's, they are not assigned a spot. We just have 2 separate groups. This list is this:
Wide Receiver core A
#2 L. Moore
#7 N. Toon
#8 A. Tanner
Wide Receiver core B
#3 D. Henderson
#4 A. Arrington
#5 C. Roby
#6 J. Morgan
#1 J. Graham
#3 D. Thomas
#2 M. Higgins
#4 J. Byrne
NE is going to be
Is that correct?
Gaffney did quite well when he was here before. About half way through the 2007 season he surpassed Stallworth as the receiver on the outside to Brady's right. The Chiefs offered more money than the Pats did and in retrospect the difference was small enough that I am sure Belichick wishes he could have a mulligan on that decision. I wouldn't characterize it as 'not working out'.
While it is true that Lloyd and Gaffney did not play for the Patriots last year there are valid reasons to anticipate they will catch on easily, and do well. Lloyd has played for OC Josh McDaniels for the last few years, and Gaffney picked up the system when he played in this offense before. Both had over 900 yards receiving last year, and that was with inferior quarterbacks throwing them the ball.
Well I knew Lloyd's history and thought he would do fine. Gaffney I have no idea about. Thanks
The point is not that they are going to duplicate those numbers - they aren't - which is why I said "obviously those numbers are a bit skewed. Lloyd and Gaffney's production will likely decrease as their proportion of the team's offense will decrease (no longer the number one option)." The point is that based on what they did last year and based on their past success in this offensive system, there is reason to believe they will be successful when called upon (as opposed to what happened with Ochocinco or Taylor Price).
Well I see that now. Ocho's problems do not really pertain to their station. Hope Im understanding that right. They should pick it up quickly, without a problem.
I think they will be successful, but the question is if your fully fielded Patriots offense is better than a fully fielded Saints offense. I think looking at what we can both put on the field at the WR/TE core in a spread offense position is smart to work out first. Then maybe work in the RB position and see who has an advantage.
Both our OL have been beyond great for years, so I see that as a waste of time. They're both very good, with great coaching. Thats where I was coming from. Does that logical or nuts?