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If he knew he was raping children and helped to hide the fact, then he is an accessory. The question is did he have direct knowledge or just heard a rumor.
As PatsfaninPhilly points out, there are inconsistencies in his testimony and others. That means also he might have purgered himself. That might mean that JoePa knew a lot more than he is letting on. Granted proving that is another thing.
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Someone telling you what they saw with their own two eyes is not a RUMOR. Are you kidding? And let's not forget that Sandusky retired in 1999. At age 55. Why? This was after the 1998 allegations. Hmmmmm, I wonder why that would be......
There is a lot more to this story.
There may well be more to the story, and if there is, then it may turn out that Paterno acted illegally on those grounds. But not calling the police over a crime that someone told you they saw is not a criminal offense. Never has been, and I sincerely hope that it never will be, because that would be ridiculous.
Moral failing and criminal offense are not synonymous terms. Paterno absolutely should have done more, and he deserves every bit of the fallout that's occurring right now, but that does not, in of itself, make him a criminal. Anyone on this thread who would like to see the law rewritten to make it a crime, I would suggest that you step back for a minute and think about what the implications of that would be. Have you ever had indirect knowledge of a crime that may or may not have occurred, and chosen not to report it to the police? Then apparently you're a criminal too.
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There may well be more to the story, and if there is, then it may turn out that Paterno acted illegally on those grounds. But not calling the police over a crime that someone told you they saw is not a criminal offense. Never has been, and I sincerely hope that it never will be, because that would be ridiculous.
Moral failing and criminal offense are not synonymous terms. Paterno should have done more, but he was not legally obligated to report what he was told to the police.
It is a criminal offense, it is a misdemeanor, not to report a suspected case of child abuse in Pennsylvania and just about every state in the nation.
If a subordinate comes to you and suspects child abuse, you should tell him of the obligation to report and then report it yourself.
Everyone in the Penn State chain of command had the legal obligation to report these allegations.. it is always better to err on the side of good judgement, than to allow this crap to happen to children.
(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).
It is a criminal offense, it is a misdemeanor, not to report a suspected case of child abuse in Pennsylvania and just about every state in the nation.
If a subordinate comes to you and suspects child abuse, you should tell him of the obligation to report and then report it yourself.
Everyone in the Penn State chain of command had the legal obligation to report these allegations.. it is always better to err on the side of good judgement, than to allow this crap to happen to children.
The police have already said that Paterno is not criminally liable for any failure to report, because he followed the law.
The truth of the matter is that nothing that's publicly known has shown Paterno in any kind of definite wrong. He's being hung out to dry on the basis of a mythical "moral duty" to report.
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A lot of EGO is involved. The ADMINISTRATION is the most at fault for not BANNING him completely.
Joe SHOULD have gone to the authorities... so shouldn't the others that I mentioned[AD, VP,P Janitors]. Joe PHUCKED up, but at least he had the decency to REPORT to some SUPERIOR channel [ the Janitors did so, but the Scumbag administration did NOTHING]. The Cops should HAVE been #1, but everything looks BEAUTIFUL in hindsight. Joe should have gone to the Cops. I WOULD have.
Without in any way supporting what Paterno did (I think he's a scumbag), I can attest firsthand to the fact that it's very difficult to turn in a good friend. It's obviously what Joe should have done, and for someone who hasn't been in a situation anything like that, I can see how it would seem like the easiest choice in the world. But it isn't, especially when you aren't certain that your friend is guilty.
It is a criminal offense, it is a misdemeanor, not to report a suspected case of child abuse in Pennsylvania and just about every state in the nation.
If a subordinate comes to you and suspects child abuse, you should tell him of the obligation to report and then report it yourself.
Everyone in the Penn State chain of command had the legal obligation to report these allegations.. it is always better to err on the side of good judgement, than to allow this crap to happen to children.
The text that you quoted doesn't say what you seem to think it says. Bolded for emphasis:
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(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).
By escalating the report up the chain, Paterno fulfilled this particular obligation.
Sure it does worked in Child Welfare systems for about 30 years, this is boilerplate across the country..
If you suspect child abuse you have the responsibility to report it.. his silence allowed more children to become victimized.
He did report it. That's the point. The very text that you supplied made it clear that his obligation was to report what he suspected to his superiors.
I'm a huge Patriots fan, but also a PSU alum, staff member and season ticket holder. Two major scandals involving the two programs I love the most in 5 years. This is just depressing. Please pray first and foremost for the victims of these crimes. My mind keeps going back and forth between anger, disgust to betrayal. I want to believe that JoePa did the right thing, but I don't know if I can do so until all of the facts come out. And even then I think I will have a hard time doing so. Remeber that it was not to long ago that BB was vilified by the media for the whole SpyGate mess.
I think what the students did last night was stupid. They had every right to protest, but it should have never turned destructive. That paints all students and others in the PSU community in a negative light.
It's going to take a long time to heal from this, and I hope that PSU can at some point recover from this tragedy.
To equate Spygate to Child Rape is so outrageous I am lost for words.
He reported these activities every time it happened, and everytime he was made aware of Sandusky's actions??? And no one ever did anything about it??
You report child abuse not to relieve your legal culpability, but to protect children.. he allowed Sandusky to continue on staff even though he knew of several incidents.. he did not protect the children entrusted to Penn State.
The lawyers are going to have a field day with all of this.. he is liable for his inactions and complicity for allowing Sandusky to remain on staff.
He could have fired Sandusky, but chose to keep him on board and in the presence of children..
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