#1 Need OLD/DE PASS RUSHERS! - Page 5 - New England Patriots Forums

captain stone · 10-06-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Defsoul

Yes, I meant Cam Johnson. Not sure how I came up with Cam Thomas...

Just prob. thinking of Cam Thomas, who was drafted by SD this year.

Defsoul · 10-06-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

Just prob. thinking of Cam Thomas, who was drafted by SD this year.

Probably. They are both from the ACC and they both play on the defensive line. But one is a 270 pound defensive end while the other one is a 330 pound defensive tackle. How do you mix that up? I just had a big brain fart.

Ochmed Jones · 10-07-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by patchick

After the draft, Belichick said a few cryptic words indicating that there WERE players he was interested in trading up for, but the teams in question weren't willing to trade down. Note that no trades took place in the 6 spots leading up to the Patriots' pick, a range that included J.J. Watt, Nick Fairley and Robert Quinn as well as Kerrigan.

As for Solder, early results suggest they may well have gotten the single best player left on the board at #17, a guy who both filled a need at a top-value position (remember, Light was unsigned) and has mammoth upside. And at #28, consider that NOT ONE edge rusher was drafted between 28 and 33, so who did they miss out on?

IMO that leaves one solid edge-rusher complaint: passing on Jabaal Sheard. And I have to admit, even though I might have been the biggest Dowling fan on the board, Sheard would have been my pick at 33.

This is what I am saying. I have no bones with the Solder pick. He has turned out better than I ever imagined.

I also have no bones with the New Orleans trade given that we had pick #33.

Unless BB could have flipped #33 for a 2012 first rounder, he needed to go pass rusher. Sheard has that sudden first step that all great pass rushers need. Was he a finished product? No, but that is where development and ST come in.

My single biggest problem with BB the GM, is the complete lack of OLB/DE types that he has drafted for BB the coach to employ.

So year after year we draft decent developmental O line guys late that can't crack our roster, causing us to give them away. Meanwhile we are recycling garbage veteran players and trading for more garbage veteran players (Burgess comes to mind) for the OLB/DE spots.

How about we draft some developmental OLB/DE types late instead of the O line guys that we always seem to cut and they can contribute on ST while red shirting a year as far as the base defense goes and we start the process where we no longer need future veteran retreads!!!!!

I don't unerstand how anybody from the media covering the Patriots regularly can not look at Henne, Fitzpatrick and Campbell having all day to throw the ball and not do an indepth story on all the DE/OLB types that BB has passed on in the last five drafts alone.
Are they that afraid of BB???????

Snake Eyes · 10-07-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones

This is what I am saying. I have no bones with the Solder pick. He has turned out better than I ever imagined.

I also have no bones with the New Orleans trade given that we had pick #33.

Unless BB could have flipped #33 for a 2012 first rounder, he needed to go pass rusher. Sheard has that sudden first step that all great pass rushers need. Was he a finished product? No, but that is where development and ST come in.

My single biggest problem with BB the GM, is the complete lack of OLB/DE types that he has drafted for BB the coach to employ.

So year after year we draft decent developmental O line guys late that can't crack our roster, causing us to give them away. Meanwhile we are recycling garbage veteran players and trading for more garbage veteran players (Burgess comes to mind) for the OLB/DE spots.

How about we draft some developmental OLB/DE types late instead of the O line guys that we always seem to cut and they can contribute on ST while red shirting a year as far as the base defense goes and we start the process where we no longer need future veteran retreads!!!!!

I don't unerstand how anybody from the media covering the Patriots regularly can not look at Henne, Fitzpatrick and Campbell having all day to throw the ball and not do an indepth story on all the DE/OLB types that BB has passed on in the last five drafts alone.
Are they that afraid of BB???????

While drafting late round players for the D-line is nice I'd actually be all for drafting them early as well

***patchick*** · 10-07-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones

How about we draft some developmental OLB/DE types late instead of the O line guys that we always seem to cut and they can contribute on ST while red shirting a year as far as the base defense goes and we start the process where we no longer need future veteran retreads!!!!!

Actually, this year they did that with Carter.

Off The Grid · 10-07-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Defsoul

Probably. They are both from the ACC and they both play on the defensive line. But one is a 270 pound defensive end while the other one is a 330 pound defensive tackle. How do you mix that up? I just had a big Fizzy Lifting Drink.

Edited that for ya.

patfanken · 10-07-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones

This is what I am saying. I have no bones with the Solder pick. He has turned out better than I ever imagined.

I also have no bones with the New Orleans trade given that we had pick #33.

Unless BB could have flipped #33 for a 2012 first rounder, he needed to go pass rusher. Sheard has that sudden first step that all great pass rushers need. Was he a finished product? No, but that is where development and ST come in.

My single biggest problem with BB the GM, is the complete lack of OLB/DE types that he has drafted for BB the coach to employ.

So year after year we draft decent developmental O line guys late that can't crack our roster, causing us to give them away. Meanwhile we are recycling garbage veteran players and trading for more garbage veteran players (Burgess comes to mind) for the OLB/DE spots.

How about we draft some developmental OLB/DE types late instead of the O line guys that we always seem to cut and they can contribute on ST while red shirting a year as far as the base defense goes and we start the process where we no longer need future veteran retreads!!!!!

I don't unerstand how anybody from the media covering the Patriots regularly can not look at Henne, Fitzpatrick and Campbell having all day to throw the ball and not do an indepth story on all the DE/OLB types that BB has passed on in the last five drafts alone.
Are they that afraid of BB???????

I understand your angst, OJ, but our gut instincts as fans, DO NOT compute when you are building a total package defense. You don't automatically create a pass rush with the drafting of a single individual. It just doesn't work that way. Most of the time sacks are the result of team activity and NOT just one guy beating someone one on one. Besides the best pass rushers usually take 3 or 4 years to develop.

A lot of Pats fans and experts cried out for the Pats to do what was necessary to go and grab Robert Quinn, and damned be the consequences. Right now, in 4 games, Quinn has 3 total tackles and one sack. Compare that to Ninko, who has 14 and one.

I'm not saying that Quinn might not be a spectacular pass rusher down the road, but its often just a shot in the dark and its hard to take a pick that high and only to wait a few years before you start to get something back from your investment....and only if you are right.

This is especially telling when you think that some of best pass rushers in the conference (Wake, Dummerville, and Harrison, weren't drafted at all. I used to lead the cry for drafting that pass rusher. Now I am willing to wait until all the pieces are put in place. Or wait for FA to address that need.

***patchick*** · 10-07-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by patfanken

some of best pass rushers in the conference (Wake, Dummerville, and Harrison) weren't drafted at all.

FYI, Dumervil was a 4th-round pick for the Broncos.

But more globally, it does seem to be one of the most unpredictable positions to draft. HUGE number of high drafted busts like Gholston, Maybin, Ayers, Harvey. Surprising number of pure workout warriors like Wake & Matthews who did little on the field in college but looked good in shorts then lit up the NFL.

***Sciz*** · 10-07-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpa

If we missed out on Vereen and were stuck with Ridley would that be a bad thing?

So I just proved that you can't find a good trade to only lose Dowling and NO's first in return for Kerrigan, so now you're willing to give up that 2nd round pick altogether? We may not have seen anything from Vereen yet, but he's still a second round pick that the Pats wasted absolutely no time in picking when they were on the clock.

gohogs14 · 10-07-2011, 10:43 PM

Jake Bequette returns tomorrow. Ill be keeping my eye on him.