Mark Morse

I like rookBoston's theory of a perpetual trading of the 2nd #1 pick, but are teams wising up to the Patriots Way? The refusal to pay the price for the #33 pick last week is an indication. BB wanted a 2011 #2 (mid round) and a 2012 2nd round pick, and no one would bite. All Access showed BB slamming the phone down on sevearl teams (Mike Reiss speculated the Niners were one of them).

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patfanken

I don't know he got a replacement first PLUS a mid round 2nd from NO, for a pick just 4 slots ahead. I think what BB was offering was a good deal. In fact I wouldn't have been happy if he had made that trade dropping 15-20 slots and only picking up a 2012 2nd. That's the kind of deal that only made sense if you were dropping 4 or 5 slots

Now that I know this, I'm happier that we didn't move the pick.

ctpatsfan77

No, it's not that they're wising up, it's just that normally BB doesn't charge a king's ransom for picks.

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patchick

Umm...didn't he make a ton of trades? The one example cited to support the idea in the title of this thread -- the failure to trade #33 -- seems like exactly the opposite. We saw lots of teams wanted to trade with BB and him not accepting their offers.

bucky

It's pretty obvious BB didn't want any more 3rd or 4th round picks in this year's draft. He seemed to have plenty of offers.

randomk1

I'm hoping the value offered wasn't worth giving up on Dowling,atleast in BB's mind.

And we did get a 1st / 2nd round pick as usual.

Haley

I think any team that decided "I'm not trading with coach XYZ under any circumstances" would only be shooting themselves in their own foot.

townes

I agree, they wanted to make a deal but he stuck to his guns for the 2nd in 2012. Ironic in that was my prediction for one thing that would happen in the draft, trade the #33 for a 2nd this year and a 2nd next. I'm glad he stuck to his guns i wouldn't have wanted a 2nd this year and 3rd next, that pick was too valuable for that, better to take the player you really want than pass for a deal you don't want.

dryheat44

Curious, curious, premise.

No team that executed a trade with BB did so AFAIK with a gun to their head. I think that those team are generally happy with the trade. The Saints with Ingram, the Packers with Matthews, the Cowboys with Bryant.* They willingly paid BBs price to get "their" guy.

In fact, teams should be tripping over each other to talk to BB, since they know he's always willing to trade back if the price is right.

* I don't actually remember if those trades were directly with the Patriots. I'm pretty sure they were at least tangentially. Regardless, you get the point.

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Don Kipines

There's probably some truth to it. He took a bad deal when he traded out of 60 and he had to pay more for his future #2 this time around. And I find it hard to believe that he didn't at least try to trade back from 73.