mgteich

I actually like this a lot (for the patriots). And yes, I also would be fine with picking Poz, instead of either player picked.

The first judgement is that you believe that we need defensive back help, and that you believe that the place bb sees value is in the first round of the draft.

The implication is that bb expects that Revis and Houston to be available at 28, and that Griffin might not.

Personally, I prefer Revis and expect Griffin to be there at 28. So, given the same needs analysis, I would choose Revis and Griffin and be ecstatic with the first round. Even if Houston wer prefered over Revis, I would choose the CB at 24.

There are many ways to fill needs. Given this draft, bb would likely pick a lb in the third, or not, and move up to do so, or not.

The 12th Man

I agree with most of your thoughts on this except for this one. If (and that's a big If) a guy with Nelson's potential and talent is still there at 22 for Dallas, they can easily snag him. Hamlin is only in for a one year contract, Watkins showed some flashes, but is a question mark for their long term need. Henry is a question mark also since that's not his "natural" position. So, I'm saying that they could easily grab Nelson at 22, but are probably less likely to get other safeties there.

ayjackson

Everybody is still clammering over Revis in the first when there's speculation abound that Asante is very close to re-upping.

I would like to know how this returns value to the Pats in your minds?
In' my mind it returns value in the following two scenarios:

a) we put Hobbs into the nickel spot and have a minor upgrade this year at #2 corner and a significant (though perhaps not necessary) upgrade at #2 corner over years two through five.

b) we trade Hobbs for a late second or a third rounder.

With these two scenarios, I'm not sure the value isn't greater selecting a player at another position.

Do you have other ideas?

Ochmed Jones

If Houston got Gaines, they would have Mario and Gaines coming off the edges. I could see Houston being extremely pleased if Gaines fell to them.

The other team I see jumping for joy is Dallas. Teaming (FS) Nelson with (SS) Roy Williams and having 2 decent CB's, should solidify the Dallas secondary for next season. Dallas really needs some players on the OL, but Nelson would be a good fit.

GermanGilbert

green bay has the 16th selection, pittsburgh the 15th. not so important for your picks, though

The 12th Man

I agree. If we lock up Samuel, he's our starting CB no doubt. Hobbs did an excellent job on the other side this year and I would feel more comfortable having him there instead of a rookie. We also can't forget that Gay is coming back healthy and did a great job as well, he would be a great #3 this year. Of course, Scott and others are good for depth and experience factor. We do need depth at CB, but I don't think we NEED a CB in the first round at all like many people say we do, assuming Asante is resigned that is. And I know that competition is good and injuries happen all the time, so that is the only reason I would consider that move, BUT ONLY if the primary needs of LB and S (the targeted guys) are already gone by those picks and the CB we draft would be a valuable one to the team. I guess same can be said about the OL or RB or even WR.

DaBruinz

For those who asked about the selection of Revis. I have a questin for you.

How many of the Pats DBs have NOT been injured over the past 4 years?

Lets face it. Because of the hard style of play, the Pats DBs haven't been able to stay healthy. This goes back to when Ty Law and Ty Poole were still lining up for us. Revis gives the Pats a body who could start opposite Asante and leave them Hobbs as the Nickle back and kick returner.

Gay hasn't been able to stay healthy since 2004.
Chad Scott disappeared when we needed him the most against the Colts. He would have, at least, been able to cover the slot receiver better than Alexander did.
Hobbs busted his wrist.


The Pats need some players with durability back there.

sebman2112

They don't just need OL and Safety(not really a need), the Cowboys need a CB, since Anthony Henry hasn't been as good lately, and they are still thinking about moving him to FS next season, because of his decline at CB. They like Pat Watkins(who they drafted last year), and they like Keith Davis(who was a part time starter), they signed Hamlin to a one year deal, but if he plays up to his normal level they'll likely resign him. Add Roy Williams at SS and I really don't see them going Safety.

They could also use a WR since Glenn, and TO are both old, and their third WR Clayton is a FA next year. I could see them going CB, WR, OL, or even DL before they would draft a Safety.

My brother's a complete Cowboys nut, records all their games and watches them all the time. He had Safety as their biggest need, but after the signing of Hamlin he think's their going either CB, or WR. He doesn't think O-Line is a priority anymore because they resigned Columbo, and got Davis from the Cards. He does think they'll still draft an O-Linemen, just not in the first. I agree with him.

Now if they want to draft Nelson and use him at CB that could make sense, but I doubt they are targeting Safeties in the first round. Maybe they'll draft one later in the draft, but likely not in the first.

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sebman2112

Where's the depth? Would you rather have a starting three of Samuel, Revis, and Hobbs.

or

Samuel, Hobbs, Mickens/Scott?

Don't give me the "Eugen Wilson can play CB" arguement. Ne tried that last year, and it didn't workout. He's stuck at FS, is likely gone after this season, and lately has seemed somewhat injury prone. Gay can't be considered a starting CB at this point since he hasn't been healthy since 2004, and he hasn't even signed the offer sheet, yet. Gay is also a FA next year. Also, none of us know for sure that Samuel is getting extended. I'd like to add some stability to the position.

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ayjackson

Gay or Wilson could handle the nickel. A CB can be drafted in round three as well. Don't get me wrong, I love Revis. He is one of the few players that might be available at 24 that excites me. I'm just not sure that the pick wouldn't be better utilized in another fashion, to have the greateset impact on the team. Having said that, I'm not sure what that other fashion would be.