mgteich

We have four top picks, a fourth rounder and some 6th and 7th rounders. I HOPE we secure three players to have the 2009 impact of Butler, Vollmer and Edelman.

I would note that these three (and the rest) did not have huge impact on 2010, but the draft was a solid one and should have a solid effect in coming years.
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If we want more immediate impact, then I would suggest that we need to be lucky. We could trade up and increase our chances at 2 impact players, but then three impact players would then be less likely.
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IF THE GOAL IS THREE SOLID 2010 CONTRIBUTERS
Then I agree with others that trading two second to end up with 19, 22 and say 48 would give us the best shot. A guard or wideout at 48 should be able to contribute in 2010.

mayoclinic

That would be great. I'm ever the optimist, and am hoping for 4. Ideally, 2 impact players and 2 red chip players:

- Trade 42, 47 and 118 for 19 and 83. Get 2 playmakers/impact players at 19 and 22. My choices are CJ Spiller and Carlos Dunlap, but other names might possibly include Brandon Graham, Jason Pierre-Paul, Everson Griffen, Dan Williams, Terrance Cody, or Brian Bulaga.

- Get a red chip prospect at 53 and hopefully trade up a bit from 83 to get another in the early 3rd round. Guys like Austen Lane, AJ Edds, Eric Norwood, Alex Carrington, Vladimir Ducasse, Mike Johnson and Dexter McCluster come to mind. Possibly a TE, WR or CB, though I personally prefer to focus on other positions. These guys aren't quite at the playmaker/impact player level, but they should have plenty of ability to be solid contributors. Also, some highly ranked guys will slip a bit because of the depth of talent. Heck, we got our best player (and one of the best players in the draft) at 58 last year, and this year is much deeper. Then pick up some late round sleepers.

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chevss454

Mayo, I read your ideas and get really excited about the possibilities you throw out there, especially this one. This could work tremendously well for the Pats allowing that FA's can fill other holes. (Then I read in some lame mock the Pats take Tebow with 22.)

Can you offer some hope that BB would actually do something like what you propose here?

mayoclinic

Unfortunately not. Who knows what BB will actually do. I think the move makes sense, particularly picking up 3rd round picks given the depth that is in this draft. It should work for Atlanta too, as they have no 2nd round pick and their biggest need is CB, where Joe Haden will probably be long gone and no one else seems worthy of the #19 pick. But other things could happen.

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chevss454

Thanks for the answer, Mayo, even if it's not what I hoped for.

Seneschal2

Zoltan will grant you your wish.

Hoping for 3 contributors is not too much to ask for ANY draft. It's not like you want 3 impact players (although one would help).

Currently, the Pats have 4 early picks (top 53). If they keep them all, the 4 rookies will all earn roster spots and contribute in various degrees. And the rest of the draft may harvest a gem or two.

One overriding point I know I'll mention post-draft is this, the health of these rookies from TC -- throughout. If you look back at past draftees you'll find several who were nicked up, or seriously injured, therefore failing to contribute in a way you're hoping for. So let's hope for some good luck this season...allowing these rooks an opportunity to make a difference.

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mgteich

3-4 contributers are still possible without trading up if you really believe in the strength of the 2nd round. We would have four opportunities plus a developmental fourth. That's
five picks. I could see us trading a second a 4th for a lower 2nd and a 3rd or our 1st and fourth for a lower first and a 3rd.

Folks want Cody/Williams and say Dunlop. I think the key is Wilfork. If he isn't staying, then we'll get a first and use it for Cody or Williams. Alternatively, if Wilfork is signed long term by the time of the draft, we have better draft strategies than using two picks to move up for Cody or Williams at 19.

For me, it seems extremely likely that 22 (or a slight move down) will be used for a lineman or even a TE. That would still give us three seconds and a fourth for other needs.

If you are a true believer in this draft, I'm sure that you think that we can
1) get 3 contributers out of 22, 42, 48 and 53 (plus using 118 to trade up)
2) get one contributer from last year's non-contributers and marginal contributers (Pryor, Crable, Wheatley, McKenzie, Tate, Brace, Ohrnberger)
3) get one marginal contributer from the 2010 6th and 7th round picks
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That gives us FOUR added solid 2010 contributers and ONE marginal 2010 contributer.
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With regard to impact players, this is more likely to come from Butler, Vollmer and Edelman, last year's solid contributers. This is as it should be.
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If we move up, we should be reasonably sure of impact players at critical positions. Otherwise it is not worth two top picks in the hope that we get one impact player. After all, there were a couple of top ten players (perhaps more if we consider the OT's) available last year. In hindsight would we have been better off to move up? Why are we more sure this year? Is even McClain as good as we thought Curry was last year? or last year's top five NT?

carolinatony

We should be able to get 1/2 solid contributers in FA before the draft depending on who BB feels can help.

Didn't I read that the last 8 teams in the draft were restricted on how many FA's they could sign but the rest(Pats) could sign as many as they wanted?

ayjackson

For two contributors at 19/22 I'd look to JPP and Jared Odrick. I agree with WR or OG at 48 for the third.

Based on the Senior Bowl practices, maybe Carrington would be impact at 48, and we could go JPP/Tate or JPP/Spiller in the first. Though I think Spiller will be long gone.

patsfan-1982

i would not trade up i would take


#22 Jared Odrick DE or Carlos Dunlap, but i think Odrick. would be a better fit for the pats 2 gap system.


#44 Sergio Kindle OLB or Brandon Graham i think Kindle. is the better fit of the two.


#47 Brandon Spikes ILB or Brandon LaFell, WR. but if Spikes. is there u have to take him


#53 Mike Johnson G or Jonathan Dwyer RB