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Round One

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mayoclinic

It's a strange draft. Not just for the Pats.

Their first round is not unreasonable until the end. Louis Delmas going #21 seems a bit high but it could happen. Philip Loadholt is a reach. Alphonso Smith and especially DJ Moore look like they are 2nd round picks.

The second round is crazy. No William Moore or Patrick Chung? Hakeem Nicks falling to 45, William Beatty to 51, James Laurinaitis to 53 and Larry English to 63? I like Mike Wallace a lot and have suggested targeting him at #124 (or even 97), but going #57? These are big stretches.

For the Pats, Barwin at 23 is solid. A DE at 34 is also solid. They have Gilbert going #36 to Cleveland, so essentially they have the Pats choosing between Hood and Gilbert at #34. If we end up with that choice I would be quite happy. I personally see Gilbert of Hood for us, but if the FO prefers Hood I'm fine with it.

Asher Allen at 47 is crazy. We don't need a day 1 CB, and Allen's not a day 1 pick. And William Beatty is still available. At 58, Larry English would be an absolute steal, or one of the safeties (Moore or Chung). I think I would go after English and then try to trade up in the 3rd for Moore or Chung, even if we have to use a 2010 pick - say, #89 and a 2010 3rd round pick.

So I would ideally have:

21 - Connor Barwin, OLB
34 - Jarron Gilbert or Ziggy Hood, DE
47 - William Beatty, OT
58 - Larry English, DE/LB
early 3rd - William Moore or Patrick Chung, S

That would be a heck of a draft.

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ForThoseAboutToRock

What do you know about Rashad Johnson out of Alabama? Would his Saban connection make him a more likely choice for the Patriots? I've sort of imagined that the choice was between Chung Moore and Delmas at some point in the 2nd round -- though since that seems to be the popular take, doesn't that mean there's no chance it actually happens?

mayoclinic

He's a pure FS. On the smallish side - he weighed in at the combine at 5'11" 203# but that's on the heavy side for him, and he probably can't add any bulk. Not particularly physical or athletic, but great football smarts and terrific hand and ball skills. Probably a smarter but less athletic Reggie Nelson type. My big question is whether we would go with someone who is a pure FS - and personally, I'd take a shot at Sean Smith ahead of Johnson if we did go the FS route.

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tanked_as_usual

sean smith instead of ziggy
sintim instead of asher allen
jamon meredith instead of rashad johnson

billdog3484

wow that would be amazing if hood lasted till 34. i dont see it happening

CanadianPat'sFan

That is what I was going to say, but now I will just agree

asher allen ???? WTF????

mgteich

Rashad Johnson is a top special teamer. You likely say he isn't "physical" because he doesn't weigh 220.

Smith will likely get picked 20 spots before Johnson so the choice will be unlikely to be between the two.

mayoclinic

I didn't say he couldn't tackle. But he's not an intimidating physical player who hits hard like Louis Delmas or Patrick Chung. Delmas is around the same size and Chung is the same height but 8 lbs. heavier. I wasn't thinking of size when I used the word "physical". It's not a particularly strong characteristic of Johnson's game. But you're right, he was a strong special teamer.

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mayoclinic

Regarding Sean Smith, sure it's a choice. We have 4 picks between 23 and 58, so we can always choose to pick one guy earlier if we think it's worth it. If we really want a FS then I personally would pick Sean Smith at 34 or 47 (or possibly with a trade up to the late 30's/early 40's) than Rashad Johnson at 58, based on Smith greater size, speed, positional versatility and upside. And Smith is not particularly physical either. They both have great ball skills. Johnson has better smarts and intangibles. Not everyone would agree, obviously.

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