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Old 03-27-2009, 01:57 PM   #11
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Good job Mayo .. id wet myself if it went that way but Beatty doesnt get to #34 and id be surprised if we dont trade around somehow
I think we do trade around, but after multiple attempts involving both trade-ups and trade-downs I thought I'd try one where we just sat still and let the draft come to us. I had other teams moving around, sometimes aggressively (Arizona with Eric Wood, Indy with Ziggy Hood, Denver with Raji, the Jets with Stafford, etc.).

Right now Beatty could go anywhere from Detroit at 20 to the early 40's. He has great upside, but is definitely a year or two away from being ready. I could see teams taking Britton or even Jamon Meredith ahead of him based on their greater readiness and versatility, as Beatty is pretty much a boom or bust LT. Or, I could see Beatty going quite high. It's a crapshoot right now.
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Old 03-27-2009, 02:43 PM   #12
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It seems reasonable, which is really the only thing anybody can expect (although I think the Texans opting for Moore over Delmas was a bit of "mocker intervention"). Nice work. I was going to post a mock today, but I'll do it next week and let everybody enjoy this one. For the record, given the way the draft fell, and not trading, I would have opted for:

#23 Clint Sintim (admitted reach, but so is everybody else here...I'd really like to trade this pick back into the late 20s or into next year)

#34 William Beatty

#47 Patrick Chung

#58 Jared Cook

#89 Jonathan Luigs

#97 Jairus Byrd (Frankly, I'm tired of exposing Faulk and Welker on punt returns. Byrd's one of the best, and has some safety potential)
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Mayo -
The issue that I have is that Haynesworth isn't a DE. He was a DT for the Titans. The Titans actually are very deep at DE with Jevon Haye, Jevon Kearse, Kyle Vanden Bosch, David Ball and Jason Jones. I have a hard time with them not going with a DT, either by trading back or just reaching a bit for Ron Brace.

Other than that, great job.
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The issue that I have is that Haynesworth isn't a DE. He was a DT for the Titans. The Titans actually are very deep at DE with Jevon Haye, Jevon Kearse, Kyle Vanden Bosch, David Ball and Jason Jones. I have a hard time with them not going with a DT, either by trading back or just reaching a bit for Ron Brace.

Other than that, great job.
I kind of agree with your reasoning. Ayers is a "popular" pick for the Titans right now, with many people assuming that Tennesee will load up on more DE help and make up for Haynesworth sort of "by committee". I'm not sure it makes sense. On the other hand, I'm not sure I consider Jason Jones really a DT either, and Tennessee has used him there. Ayers is stout against the run for a DE and has moved around a lot, including playing some DT for Tennessee. So I sort of put him there because I thought that was about where he rated, I wasn't sure where to put him, and I wasn't sure what to do for Tennessee. But your point is well taken.

I see Ron Brace more as a run-stuffing 3-4 NT. I think he will be a hot commodity with all the 3-4 teams, but I'm not sure that he fits for Tennessee. They seem to value more of a disrupting presence than Brace would provide.

I had toyed with the idea of having Tennessee reach for Jarron Gilbert. Gilbert has freakish athleticism, and with another 20 lbs. (which his frame could easily carry) he could be a freakish DT. But I'm not sure if I see him as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE, so I held off.
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It seems reasonable, which is really the only thing anybody can expect (although I think the Texans opting for Moore over Delmas was a bit of "mocker intervention"). Nice work. I was going to post a mock today, but I'll do it next week and let everybody enjoy this one. For the record, given the way the draft fell, and not trading, I would have opted for:

#23 Clint Sintim (admitted reach, but so is everybody else here...I'd really like to trade this pick back into the late 20s or into next year)

#34 William Beatty

#47 Patrick Chung

#58 Jared Cook

#89 Jonathan Luigs

#97 Jairus Byrd (Frankly, I'm tired of exposing Faulk and Welker on punt returns. Byrd's one of the best, and has some safety potential)
Thanks for the thoughts.

I actually thought the Texans would prefer Moore, with his bigger size, to Delmas, but if you want to switch the order and have Houston taking Delmas at 46 and NE Moore at 47 it's ok with me. I personally prefer Delmas, so I plead guilty to the charge of personal bias seeping through. I like Chung too, but I prefer Delmas. It was a wrench to give Chung to Dallas though. (I found the hardest part of doing a mock to be giving players that I liked to teams that I don't like).

Jared Cook vs. James Casey is a personal preference thing. I chose Casey for his versatility. Same thing with Barwin vs. Sintim. I don't see Sintim as 1st round value, but I understand your view.

Did Jarius Byrd fall out of my mock? If so, that was an oversight. I had him going 58 to the Giants in a previous version where we traded 23 and 58 to the Giants for 29 and 45. I see him as a late 2nd/early 3rd guy, and don't see him lasting till 97, but he would certainly be great value there.
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That would be a lovely draft. Not sure about all the Casey love I'm seeing (don't we already have a young pass-catching TE from Texas who can't block?) but overall this looks solid.
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Although I can accept that Belichick loves his Tight Ends, with Watson, Thomas and Baker I really don't want to use a highish draft pick on a tight end.
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You have the vikings and the chargers swap positions, with the vikings picking a WR, and the chargers picking a DE. I dont see that as a possibility.

The chargers have a QB in Rivers, RBs in sproles and LT, Shawn Merriman will be back so their only need would probally be at WR. Rivers is a pretty good QB, adding another WR to the group of Gates, Jackson and chambers would help their offense. Orginially where the chargers sit, they're first inline to pick from maclin, harvin, and that other WR darius breyward, I dont think they will trade out of this position.

As for the vikings. Well their passing attack is not that great, and trading up to the 16th spot to land a mid 1st round WR will not greatly improve their passing attack. If they traded up into the top 5, to grab Crabtree, then I can see that as a possible move. You have a better chance of improving your really bad passing attack by grabbing the best WR in the draft. Also, the vikings QB is not that good, so why spend the 1st round upgrade on a WR that has to depend on a good QB.
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23: Connor Barwin, OLB, Cincinnati. A Vrabel-Ware hybrid?
34: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut. Potential 10 year franchise LT.
47: Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan. Close call with other safety prospects.
58: James Casey, TE, Rice. Incredible versatility and upside.
89: Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman. Finally a true 3-4 DT backup for Wilfork.
97: T.J. Lang, OL, Eastern Michigan. Kaczur-like verastility.



The first two picks are great and I would be very happy with this.
BB may surprise us but if we don't take a SOLID OL and LB on the first day I will be a bit depressed. He may go RB,WR or punter with the later picks.
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You have the vikings and the chargers swap positions, with the vikings picking a WR, and the chargers picking a DE. I dont see that as a possibility.

The chargers have a QB in Rivers, RBs in sproles and LT, Shawn Merriman will be back so their only need would probally be at WR. Rivers is a pretty good QB, adding another WR to the group of Gates, Jackson and chambers would help their offense. Orginially where the chargers sit, they're first inline to pick from maclin, harvin, and that other WR darius breyward, I dont think they will trade out of this position.

As for the vikings. Well their passing attack is not that great, and trading up to the 16th spot to land a mid 1st round WR will not greatly improve their passing attack. If they traded up into the top 5, to grab Crabtree, then I can see that as a possible move. You have a better chance of improving your really bad passing attack by grabbing the best WR in the draft. Also, the vikings QB is not that good, so why spend the 1st round upgrade on a WR that has to depend on a good QB.
You're the first person I've heard suggesting that the Chargers have a day 1 need for a WR. They traded a 2nd round pick for Chris Chambers and spent 1st (Craig Davis) and 2nd (Vincent Jackson) round picks on WR in the past few years. Kareem Osgood wants out because he is stuck behind a logjam on the depth chart and can't get any playing time at WR. In contrast, they lost Igor Olshansky at DE and clearly need a starting 3-4 DE opposite Luis Castillo. They also could upgrade ILB with Dobbins and Cooper. If they are worried about Merriman's long term recovery then OLB is a need. And I had been giving them Moreno in the past, but with franchising Sproles and extending LT2 I don't currently see them sinking more money into that position right now.

The Vikings biggest needs are on offense. They might go CB, but Griffen got extended and Winfield is solid, and there's no obvious terrific value at 22. Darius Butler is a possibility. A pass rushing DE opposite Jared Allen is possible, but they invested a huge amount there last year. QB is their biggest need, but they aren't going that way. 22 is to early for an OG/C, though you might justify Alex Mack. For WR all they have is Bernard Berian and Sidney Rice, so a stretch-the-field guy like Maclin would be nice, not to mention what he would do for their return game. They already have the best running game in the NFL.

It was just a thought, but I don't think it's totally unreasonable.
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