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Old 02-05-2013, 08:53 PM   #41
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Here's a novel idea. Why not just move Hernandez to WR full time?
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No offense, Bro, but that would destroy his deadliest Attribute: His Unpredictability.

FootBall is a viciously competitive War Game.

When Aaron The Navigator is out there, the D has no clue if we're going to Run or Pass.

That is a gigantic Advantage...which we would be hideously foolish to surrender.
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And I have to disagree that Hernandez wouldn't be a mismatch against a Corner.
Disagree with who??

Nobody ~ nobody ~ has been a more relentless Fan of Aaron The Navigator, who I mocked to us back in February 2010, when everybody was screaming at me how stupid that idea was...

So please don't presume to tell me that he wouldn't be a mismatch against a Corner.

Aaron The Navigator is the most versatile deadly weapon in the GAME.

Constraining him to Split End or Flanker would be insanely foolish.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:21 PM   #42
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My favorite WR, although probably not my favorite value. I know the comparison will look bad now, but he plays a lot like Brandon Lloyd. He's not ridiculously fast (he'd still be the fastest WR on the team), but he uses his success with the intermediate routes to kill CBs with double moves. He also has that Hernandez skill of catching the ball, doing a 180, and running back against the grain for a bunch of extra yards. I also saw him just plow through a CB on one play. So he's basically Lloyd before the catch and Hernandez after the catch
I'm not sure I'm on board with the Lloyd comparison but Hopkins is definitely my #1 WR. Strong, fast, physical (LSU was trying to beat the hell out of him all game and it just made him bear down more) and can snatch. Hopkins runs all the routes and makes plays after the catch. He's an extremely impressive player, especially given where he's ranked right now.

The other WR I like, and the one I feel the Patriots have to grab, is Stedman Bailey. He was born to play in the Patriots offense. The answer to the unasked question, "What if Dieon Branch was actually kind of fast?"
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I'm not sure I'm on board with the Lloyd comparison but Hopkins is definitely my #1 WR. Strong, fast, physical (LSU was trying to beat the hell out of him all game and it just made him bear down more) and can snatch. Hopkins runs all the routes and makes plays after the catch. He's an extremely impressive player, especially given where he's ranked right now.

The other WR I like, and the one I feel the Patriots have to grab, is Stedman Bailey. He was born to play in the Patriots offense. The answer to the unasked question, "What if Dieon Branch was actually kind of fast?"
I like Bailey but I wonder just how fast he is. A lot of his deep balls come down to broken coverages. I didn't see him outsprint a corner that often. His combine will be interesting. He has become a bit of a forgotten man. Good player though.
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I think the character thing has been completely overblown by 1 comment by his coach. I think it was just a case of a HC trying to motivate his WR because he wasn't living up to expectations (which were extremely high). In the same comment he also praised him so I wouldn't read too much into it.



I actually think we have a blueprint of how to use Hunter. His style of play has been compared to Randy Moss, and while I certainly wouldn't say he is as talented as Moss was, I think he could be used in the same way. I actually think he would offer a little more versatility than Moss did because he offers more route versatility due to his willingness to go over the middle. He might not put up huge numbers early on, but he should make big plays.

In the end I think what will seperate the WR's is value. There are a bunch of really good guys I would be happy to take, and who I would target depends largely on who will fall. I would be happy to trade out of the first and target 2 guys in the mid/late 2nd or early 3rd.
Here's another reason why he might not be a fit, he averaged 1yd per screen pass. He didn't run a lot of screens (10% of his receptions) but even so, 1yd seems pretty low. I wonder why? Lack of wiggle, lack of strength, lack of burst perhaps.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:28 AM   #45
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Big Fan.

Exactly what this Offense needs.

I'll take 3, please.
He's a good player, but we won't be stretching the field with 3x Chris Harpers
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I like Bailey but I wonder just how fast he is. A lot of his deep balls come down to broken coverages. I didn't see him outsprint a corner that often. His combine will be interesting. He has become a bit of a forgotten man. Good player though.
I don't think he's going to outsprint all that many defenders. Still, he's got major quickness and he's fast enough to get by - certainly faster than Dieon was coming into the league. The big thing that I see similar to Branch is the way he catches the ball in tight coverage. Bailey keeps running the route until the last instant, then looks for the ball, instead of looking back early.

I think his combine will be largely disappointing, in that I imagine he's going to measure short and not raise any eyebrows in the 40, unless one looks at the splits.
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He's a good player, but we won't be stretching the field with 3x Chris Harpers
Sure we will.

We'll just be stretching it horizontally, not vertically.

Stretching the Field vertically...scores HighLight Reels.

Stretching the Field horizontally...helps win Championships.

Move The Chains, Baby.

Just Move The Chains.

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We've been "Wowing" people for the last 8 years...and haven't won schytte.

Back in the day, we didn't impress anybody...we just won Championships.

Do I really need to say the next line??
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Sure we will.

We'll just be stretching it horizontally, not vertically.

Stretching the Field vertically...scores HighLight Reels.

Stretching the Field horizontally...helps win Championships.

Move The Chains, Baby.

Just Move The Chains.

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We've been "Wowing" people for the last 8 years...and haven't won schytte.

Back in the day, we didn't impress anybody...we just won Championships.

Do I really need to say the next line??
We stretched the field horizontally this year and won schytte. To make space for our playmakers, and we've got lots, we need to stretch it both ways.

Getting "The Navigator", Demps, Vereen, maybe Welker and/or Edelman, maybe even Tavon Austin or Percy Harvin the ball on a field that hasn't been compressed to just 10 yards from the LOS will see us both impressing people and winning championships.
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I don't think he's going to outsprint all that many defenders. Still, he's got major quickness and he's fast enough to get by - certainly faster than Dieon was coming into the league. The big thing that I see similar to Branch is the way he catches the ball in tight coverage. Bailey keeps running the route until the last instant, then looks for the ball, instead of looking back early.

I think his combine will be largely disappointing, in that I imagine he's going to measure short and not raise any eyebrows in the 40, unless one looks at the splits.
I keep saying this, but boy is this WR draft deep. There's about 8-10 receivers I'd be very happy taking...and quite a few TE's also.
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I posted this in the blueprint thread. Figured it's a better fit here and moved it here.

It seems the opinion of many posters that's it's crazy to draft a wr in the first. Why the aversion to drafting a wr with a first? I submit the following champions. I don't want to go Matt Millen and draft em every year. But, as the evidence shows. Targeting and drafting one can help you win a championship.

72-73 Dolphins - Traded a 1st 3rd overall for Paul Warfield.
70'S Steelers - Drafted Lynn Swann 21st overall in 74 and won 4 of next 6.
82-91 Redskins - 3X Champs had Art Monk a 1st Rounder in 1980 18th overall.
88-94 49'ers - Traded up with our Pats in 85 after already winning 2 Super Bowls
and drafted Jerry Rice. Won 3 more.
90's Cowboys - Michael Irvin 88 and Alvin Harper 91 were 1st Rounders. Won 3.
99 Rams - Drafted Tory Holt in the first.
06 Colts - Marvin Harrison 96 and Reggie Wayne in 01.
08 Steelers - Santonio Holmes is a major douche bag. But, he did help them win
a Super Bowl.
11 NYG - Hakeem Nicks in 2009.
Fascinating stuff, and well argued, Sir.

I would note, though: Merely 3 of the last 12.

And that during the so-called "Passing League" Era.

That would seem to punch an enormous hole in your Argument.
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