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Re: A little early, but: should the Patriots try to re-sign Wes Welker?
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Originally Posted by mgteich
1) We can probably handle 4/$40M, but 3/$30M makes more sense. I would note that the first 2 years would likely need to be guaranteed.
2) We will need restructures by Brady and Wilfork this year or next.
3) Vollmer would likely be gone.
4) The open question is whether is how we will be able to afford to re-sign or replace 2 WR's and 2 CB's. We will draft for our needs at DL.
My gut feeling is that Welker will be franchised, or let loose, or both.
Pretty much agree with all of this and would add that 4-40 really ends up working out to a 3-30 deal by the end of it, at least under most basic contract structures it does. Again, there are many better at capology than I am so anyone wanting to take issue with that should do so. ultimately it is the guaranteed money and likely to be earned money that gets the deal done and the final year of most deals gives team's leverage unless the player is continuing to play at that high a level, in which case the deal was obviously worth it.
Re: A little early, but: should the Patriots try to re-sign Wes Welker?
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Originally Posted by patfanken
The simple fact is that there are more people on this planet that can do what Wes Welker does, than can do what Sebastian Volmer can.
I think most of the people on this board think that keeping Welker is a no brainer. It should be an easy decision. But I think its a lot harder than that.
I'll concede that there are very few "no brainer" decisions, and that it's fair to say this isn't one.
But beyond that, I think your first point--that "there are more people on this planet that can do what Wes Welker does" is, to be blunt, wrong. I've come to the realization that pretty much everyone continues to underestimate just how great Welker is. Not sure why. But there remains this lingering idea that yeah, Welker sure is good, but he's not a "real" receiver, and, you know, other guys can do what he does...maybe not QUITE as good, but pretty close. Etc.
To which I say, are we nuts? The guy had 118 catches and 1354 yards during a season when all of the other top receiving options took turns being hurt, during a season where at times the team looked to minimize his role (that's not a negative point or a conspiracy-theory oriented one, it just appeared to be happening), who plays WELL through injuries, and continues to be Brady's go-to guy when the offense is sputtering along, it's time to stop screwing around, and get that first down or score.
In other words, forget labels or classifications or anything else. For THIS Patriots team, over the next few years, locking Welker up is hugely important.
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Re: A little early, but: should the Patriots try to re-sign Wes Welker?
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Originally Posted by mgteich
1) We can probably handle 4/$40M, but 3/$30M makes more sense. I would note that the first 2 years would likely need to be guaranteed.
2) We will need restructures by Brady and Wilfork this year or next.
3) Vollmer would likely be gone.
4) The open question is whether is how we will be able to afford to re-sign or replace 2 WR's and 2 CB's. We will draft for our needs at DL.
My gut feeling is that Welker will be franchised, or let loose, or both.
If Brady don't get decent protection he cant get the ball to Wes or to any other Receivers. BB will tell you that guys like Vollmer don't fall off trees. I am glad we got the extra week rest...some of you are going to really appreciate Vollmer in the Playoffs. Brady can't do anything on his @ss...see first SB against Giants. Vollmer has to be Retained!
Re: A little early, but: should the Patriots try to re-sign Wes Welker?
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Originally Posted by robertweathers
Would love to keep WW but if the team can't, life goes on. Amendola, Greg Jennings, etc. could replace his production.
WW is a GREAT WR but he is replaceable and the offense will score 30+ ppg without him.
Amendola and Jennings could replace a part of his production, not all of it, and Amendola in particular falls way short of Welker in production and both will cost so much that replacing Welker with them makes little sense, at least imo. I would be willing to bet that both those players get deals very close to what Welker will be willing to sign back with NE for.
BTW-At leat you are being realistic, most of the other stuff I have seen isn't, such as the claims that Welker can be easily replaced by Edelman, or that paying Talib or Vollmer is more important than re-signing Welker etc..And I agree that Gronkowski is a special player, but I agree with andy johnson that the offense runs through Welker and everything else plays off his role.
Re: A little early, but: should the Patriots try to re-sign Wes Welker?
We can work with Edelman, Hernadez and Woodhead in the slot.
Welker atm is a huge part of the O and truly a great Patriot in every aspect but;
1. Should we really pay him 10m a year (3-5years) on a long term contract?
2. What can he get in other NFL teams?
I sure wouldn't pay Jennings, Bowe, Wallace, Amendola 10m a year if we cant give it to Welker...I would prefer to give a guy like Davone Bess maybe 2m a year contract then...
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Re: A little early, but: should the Patriots try to re-sign Wes Welker?
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Originally Posted by Ivan
Amendola and Jennings could replace a part of his production, not all of it, and Amendola in particular falls way short of Welker in production and both will cost so much that replacing Welker with them makes little sense, at least imo. I would be willing to bet that both those players get deals very close to what Welker will be willing to sign back with NE for.
BTW-At leat you are being realistic, most of the other stuff I have seen isn't, such as the claims that Welker can be easily replaced by Edelman, or that paying Talib or Vollmer is more important than re-signing Welker etc..And I agree that Gronkowski is a special player, but I agree with andy johnson that the offense runs through Welker and everything else plays off his role.
Yea I'm not one of those who say, 'hes only a slot receiver'. He is incredibly important to this offense and makes Brady's job easier.
However, I do believe that he is replaceable with a top-WR and/or a Larry Centers/Darrell Sproles-type that can move the chains and get 1st downs.
It will all come down to the money and years- again.
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Re: A little early, but: should the Patriots try to re-sign Wes Welker?
Vollmer has to be Retained!
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