ATippett56

That did not stop the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from signing wide receiver Vincent Jackson to a $5 year $55 million contract, who incidentally is one strike away from a year long suspension (multiple DUI arrests).

If the New England Patriots win the Super Bowl, the vultures will be out in full force prying away unrestricted free agents with over-the-top contracts.

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DocHoliday

There used to be a cap simulator sort of like the ESPN playoff machine. Anyone know what happened to it?

Will resigning Welker come at the expense of someone like Woodhead, Talib, Vollmer next year, and Spikes the year after?

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Ivan

Sorry Ken, but these kinds of comments show just how little you value Welker. You have steadfastly refused to give him a deal like this but would do so for a RT who while good is injury plagued and unreliable. 30 million for Vollmer but 16 for Welker, it's flat out crazy and debunks your argument that it is about using cap space wisely. Whereas Welker is tough as nails and one of the most dependable players on the team Vollmer has proven just the opposite. For some reason you value a RT who can actually be replaced more than a HOF receiver who Brady relies on heavily. the truth, at least as I see it Ken, is that you and the others who have been calling for them to offer Welker peanuts really want them to get rid of him because you are either infatuated with Julian Edelman, who has proven to be nothing more than a back-up, or they are infatuated with getting a Mike Wallace type reciever, which would be a complete waste of resources.

Bottom line, when you won't pay Welker what he is worth but are willing to give a player who has basically played 2 games for NE 8 million a year, or an injury plagued RT 30-4 then it blows up your argument that it is about fiscal responsibility and makes it clear it is about placing zero value on a player who has performed at HOF levels his entire career here.

Ivan

All of those players are replaceable, Welker isn't. Welker is going to go to the HOF, none of those you lised have any shot. When you have a HOF player it is a rare commodity and you keep it. beyond that signing welker isn 't going to cost them the ability to sign any of those players, but what other teams offer them will, as the patriots are not going to go up to the figures other teams will for some of them. Anyone who wants to pay Talib 8 million a year can have him, he has done nothing to show he deserves it. Vollmer is a very good RT but he has serious back issues and cannot be relied on to play over the course of any long term deal, and big money is risky. Woodhead is a player who I would bet the farm will be back, the Patriots won't have trouble getting this done.

Spikes is another case altogether. as much as I like Spikes, and I really see him as a force in the middle, however his comments before the Super Bowl and a strong streak of irresponsibility are going to make this a very difficult deal to get done. Spikes wants to be a superstar, and said so before last year's Super Bowl, and I think he is going to want at least 2X what NE will be willing to pay him. They may tag him but I really think Belichick sees him as a run stopper and won't give him the 50 million he is going to demand. I could be way off on this but this is the sense i get from him.

None of these deals are related to Welker, and paying him isn't going to determine their ability to sign them or not, and suggesting it will is a red herring. While paying a player has a relation to what else they can do there is not the direct relationship some here are suggesting, and the fact that they paid Brady or Wilfork had absolutely no bearing on those they either did or did not sign in coming years.

Ivan

Here is the challenge for those who are suggesting that signing Welker would keep them from re-signing other players. The Patriots signed three of their best players, Brady, Wilfork, and Mankins to big fair market deals. Name the players they wanted to re-sign but couldn't because of those signings?

Double TE

Seymour. They chose to spend the $$ on Vince instead. At least that was their story?

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Archeryaddict12

Welker will get money and we shall be happy. Just need another fella to stretch the field like Lloyd and we will be the deadliest offense if we stay healthy.


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Ivan

Nice try, but you can't claim that a deal signed in march 2010 cost them a player they traded in September 2009. Seymour was unhappy in NE and wasn't going to get the money he wanted here regardless of what they were going to do with anyone else.


I do give you credit for trying though, I have a feeling that very few are going to do so because there simply is no evidence that it has happened. It will be interesting to see in anyone can come up with players they lost because of those deals because in all honesty i really can't think of one.

kennyb

Wes Welker a nifty little slot receiver was one.

Ivan

troll..............