pats1

If you check the NFL.com game logs, you can tell if a player is inactive or not. If a game is listed in the game log, then they were on the 53-man roster for that game. If the "G" column has a 0, then they were inactive - if it has a 1, then they were active.

Pats726

That's even better...Thanks..

pats1

There's a difference between accrued seasons and practice squad seasons. You can (supposedly) have no more than 1 accrued season (6 games on the 53, IR, PUP) for PS eligibility, and no more than 8 on the 45 for that. You can also have no more than 3 practice squad seasons (3 games on PS) for PS eligibility.

In Ventrone's case, he earned a practice squad season in 2005, an accrued season in 2006, and a practice squad season in 2007 (he wasn't on the 53 enough for an accrued season too).

So that's 1 accrued season (<9 active too, since he was on the Reserve/NFLE injured list), and 2 practice squad seasons for Ventrone.

pats1

I meant to say that if that column has a 0 then they were inactive.

[Edit: I did, but I said "in active!"]

Pats726

So...are you saying he's PSqd eligible??? I agree..it is quite complicated....so a player can have an accrued season...1...and only after 3 Psqd seasons NOT be eligible?? I wasn't aware that PUP or IR entered into it all...

ctpatsfan77

Actually, in this thread, Mrs. B says that Ventrone received an injury settlement from the Pats--which I believe means 2006 wouldn't count as an accrued season.

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patchick

Should that read <9 active? And is it really accrued in that scenario?

And Pats726, yes, you can have 1 accrued season (with <9 games active) + 2 PS seasons and be eligible for a 3rd PS year. That's how a guy like C.J. Jones has managed to hang around not-quite making the NFL for so long!

pats1

Yes, Ventrone is eligible. I never said anything to the contrary, or at least I don't think so.

Yes, IR and PUP count for accrued seasons (same formula, so 6 games/weeks (byes count unless they're the 6th and final week) = 1 season). Only NF-Illness/Injury, Suspension, Exempt list, Left Squad, and Did Not Report do not count.

That is incorrect. Ventrone was on the Reserve/NFL Europe injury list for all of 2006 and released in February 2007. The Reserve/NFL Europe injury list acts in the same way as the IR, which means that Ventrone earned an accrued season in 2006.

Yes, it should. My bad.

ctpatsfan77

OK . . . that's strange, because Mrs. B actually talked to Ventrone (who was coaching football at a local HS at the time), and I don't think she'd use those words randomly.

In any case--let me pose the question as a hypothetical: if it were true that the Pats gave him an injury settlement, would that count as an accrued season?

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Well, the term "injury settlement" is used pretty loosely - sometimes it means the player was waived directly with an injury settlement, sometimes it means the player was waived/injured, cleared waivers, reverted to IR, and then was released from IR with an injury settlement. Sometimes writers incorrectly identify players who were waived injured but kept on IR as receiving "injury settlements."

But believe me, officially, Ventrone was placed on the "Reserve/Non-Football Injury-NFL Europe" list with a shoulder injury on August 29, 2006, along with Earl Charles and Zuriel Smith. Ventrone was waived on February 12, 2007 along with Zuriel Smith (who failed a physical; Ventrone is not listed as having done so). Charles was waived with a failed physical the next day. Ventrone then signed with the Jets on February 20, 2007.

Ventrone's 2006 contract - the one that he was injured under and he was waived from in February 2007 - was a split contract that allowed for the Patriots to pay less of a base salary and insurance to pick up some (all?) as well. The Pats ended up having no cap hit as a result.

None of that affects his practice squad eligibility, though. He would be eligible even if he was released in 2006.