chasa

well its a shame that talib only has one int in one game.

supafly

I didn't get a chance to see the first TD that he allowed, due to the coverage of the CLE/DAL game in OT which pissed me off more than I care to admit. From all accounts though, he was supposedly right there with his man from what I understand--which is obviously a very good thing.

If he can offer more in one on one coverage with Dennard, then the defensive schemes themselves may change a bit which would allow some more pressure overall.

He has been consistently good for an INT every few games or so throughout his career, so that's got to mean something positive.

If we can re-up him in the offseason and build a bit through the draft and FA with a safety and CB pickup, this secondary can really start to go back to where we saw it in the past in a very positive way.

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RI Patriots fan

So if I'm reading you correctly it would seem that you rank them behind McCourty but ahead of everyone else in the secondary?
As you mentioned, the bar is set low (unfortunately) but thank goodness we choose these rookies. Imagine where we'd be if they performed as well as the veterans (minus McCourty)

supafly

There was no intent to offend you, but from what I am understanding you are saying that most of our veterans are rating at somewhere around 2/10 or 3/10, and then you are praising the rookies for coming in slightly higher (which they may not even really be, seeing as how my original example of Arrington last year leading the NFL in INT's would prove otherwise...since he still sucked)?

I've said it in every post, yet I will say it again--

It's good to see the rookies getting involved in the turnover game, since that is where our defense makes its living. If they hadn't been involved in the turnover game I'd be rather surprised, since they have such a positive turnover ratio overall and the rookies are getting reps now, BUT I'm not entirely sure that we can properly judge them based off of that alone.

In other words, I think we should all give them a + rating for the turnovers that they have created and taken advantage of, but there are plenty of -'s for both Wilson and Dennard too.

Once again, I think that their ceiling is rather high, and that they could evolve into being very good players in the secondary.

I also think that there would be many WRs who would absolutely abuse them too though, and that thought is shared by looking at some of the threads from just 48 hours ago. It is also apparently shared by Belichick too, as he pulled Wilson out of the last game vs BUF relatively early for making some of the same mistakes over and over again.

I think that you make a nice point in stating that they have created some turnovers, but I don't think that paints the whole picture either...hence my original example of someone like Arrington (even though you don't agree because Arrington was in his 2nd year last year as a UDFA, whereas Wilson is in his first as a 2nd round pick).

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Get it shawtaay

I'll bite.

Arrington 'is what he is.' I've seen this discussed at length on here. He seems like a good dude and he plays hard but other than that, there's not much there.

Chung a pretty good safety talent except for the fact that he lacks an "it" factor which the being good requires - being able to think while playing. Some players have that and some don't. He's fast, he hits hard, he strong, he can change directions, he plays with passion... but he doesn't have the mental capacity. He's only comfortable when he gets to play in the box now, and that role is joining the dinosaurs.

Which brings me to Dennard. What makes him an exciting player to me is that he looks to have the one thing Chung (and most NFL players) lack. His technique is ugly and he's out of position a lot, and he gives up plays... but he's seemingly always improvising. You could see him realize that ball was underthrown and break on it, or in the Jets game peel off his man and come up 15 yards in anticipation of a stop (good thing the QB was Sanchez...). He needs to be reined in a bit, but the game comes to him, and he learns from each snap. That's why players like him are ****y all the time, they're not in above their head. Could be our own Brent Grimes.

Cole is some random vet. Don't know much about him, except my friends who follow the Jets always wanted him to get PT. Nothing noteworthy.

And Ras-I Dowling is not a veteran other than in the technical sense. Elite caliber talent - speed, COD skills, length. The gamble was worth it at pick 33 IMO because players like him are truly rare. If he stays healthy for a season and learns NFL game speed you guys will be all over his nuts.

Sweet Chin Music33

Its not really that impressive. Most of that list are players who have no business starting for an NFL team.

Sweet Chin Music33

Chung has never done a thing. He is almost in the Brandon Meriweather level of being overrated.

ausbacker

Chung is far more overrated than Meriweather ever was. At least Meriweather would lay the smack down every now and then.

Get it shawtaay

First of all, my point wasn't that he's good to begin with. He's a flawed player and that probably never changes. Which of my statements about Chung's athleticism and positives do you disagree with?

I don't think he ever "did anything" but there were flashes in 2010. Breakup in the endzone against the Ravens that changed the game, near-impossible open field tackle at the end of the Green Bay tackle that forced 4th down and made them unable to spike the ball. Some big hits against the Steelers that turned into a Ward drop, Sanders INT, and 3rd down stop on Wallace.

The kid isn't a good player but he does have some attributes going for him. Belichick saw those and so did other teams - which is why teams had him up there with William Moore and Louis Delmas in pre-draft. Its unfortunate that the skill that makes all the difference seems to be missing.

Sweet Chin Music33

I guess you are right.

Even though he coughed up his fair share of big plays, he at least wasn't afraid to gamble....

I'd rather a guy attempt to make a play......than sitting back and watching the opposing team make completion after completion in underbelly of the zone, and over the top of the safeties.