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The proof of the pudding is the record 6-3, which says we win 2/3 of our games.
You completely ignored the poster's statistical research.
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No sorry my being a Patriots fan is not determined by how neat they get the job done. It is not determined by every element of the team being perfect at all moments and I certainly will not ignore great plays like turnovers and individual efforts that cause the other team to commit penalties when I asses the abilty of the team.
Neat, dirty, ugly whatever so long as you get the job done. There are no style points given.
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Parcells says he actually likes this year's team -- despite its flaws -- better than the one that went to the Super Bowl last season.
Gotta say I agree. They're more balanced on offense and can attack more of the field. They're stouter against the run, stronger up front, and the secondary should be better on defense.
Am I the only one who sees the irony in your 'proof' that the defense stinks is that they stopped the final drive of the game but you were worried and had no confidence?
They didn't "stop" the final drive until Buffalo had marched immediately down the length of the field and was in the red zone making attempts to throw the winning TD completion.
Basically, the only way the Pats defense can stop a drive are:
a) a turnover
b) mistakes by the opponent (dropped balls, penalties, etc.)
The Pats got a turnover Sunday, for which all of us are thankful.
No sorry my being a Patriots fan is not determined by how neat they get the job done. It is not determined by every element of the team being perfect at all moments and I certainly will not ignore great plays like turnovers and individual efforts that cause the other team to commit penalties when I asses the abilty of the team.
Neat, dirty, ugly whatever so long as you get the job done. There are no style points given.
Turnovers, particularly fumble recoveries, are semi-random and can leave at any time. You can't count on them, particularly when you start playing better teams in the playoffs. Given the Patriots games against the Giants in the last two Super Bowl appearances, you should know this. So, if you want to stick your head in the sand about the team not being able to make traditional stops, you go right ahead. As for me, I'll look at things that are significant and important, like the ability to get an opponent off the field by making actual stops and forcing punts.
And style points have nothing to do with it. The Patriots haven't won the turnover battle in a playoff game since the 2007 Jacksonville game.
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This made me think about how the Pats' D is performing with the game on the line this season. So far they're 3-2 with coming up with a play to give the Pats a chance to win/seal the game (4-2 if you want to include Denver):
FF vs Cards
fail vs Ravens
FF vs Broncos
fail vs Hawks
FF vs Jets (They also stuffed them after the kickoff fumble)
INT vs Bills
This is an improvement over last season where they were just 2-2 to finish the season and 3-3 if you include POs. This also puts them in the same realm as most defenses considered good/clutch. The only true outlier is the Texans who've come up big on defense two out of two times they had a chance.
Excellent analysis. Just curious why would you even consider excluding the Denver game? That was Ninkos strip sack on Denvers last drive right?
OK so the complete package Great run defense, Average pass rush, below average to well below average secondary, Well above average at turning the ball over, and it is clutch. Add it all up and the OP is absolutely correct this defense is not that bad. No one will mistake it for a great defense but it is way better than most anyone wants to give credit for.
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They are not clutch in the SLIGHTEST. There is nothing more terrifying than the other team needing a touchdown to win at the end of the game... because you know they have a chance, no matter WHO it is!
The proof of the pudding is the record 6-3, which says we win 2/3 of our games.
Winning 2 out of three games in the playoffs will not win a championship.
That's what this discussion is all about. How can this pass defense be improved enough to get the patriots back to the Super bowl and win it this time. Time is running out on the Brady/Belichick Golden Era of Patriot football. It would be a shame if any more opportunities to win a championship were left on the table.
Turnovers, particularly fumble recoveries, are semi-random and can leave at any time. You can't count on them, particularly when you start playing better teams in the playoffs. Given the Patriots games against the Giants in the last two Super Bowl appearances, you should know this. So, if you want to stick your head in the sand about the team not being able to make traditional stops, you go right ahead. As for me, I'll look at things that are significant and important, like the ability to get an opponent off the field by making actual stops and forcing punts.
And style points have nothing to do with it.
I think it goes without saying that better teams will turn the ball over less but you know what else is true, better teams will go 3 and out less and better teams will march the length of the field more often.
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