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Re: Bedard: Forget the Bills game...The Season Starts Now
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Originally Posted by Cassanova792
You are obviously ignoring the fact we were second to last in every other statistical category except defensive rushing yards per game and as you noted scoring. Maybe this has to do with the fact we have a very talented front 7, which perhaps helps save a few points off the board. Also having the #1 offense probably helps your defense a little doesnt it?
I'm not ignoring anything. You, however, are overrating the front seven. This team's linebackers are poor in coverage, and the DL/OLB group of pass rushers is very inconsistent. What the front seven usually does well is defend against the run. Today, they didn't even get that done.
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Originally Posted by Cassanova792
So by holding Tim Tebow and the Broncos offense to 10 points is a suprise to you? He can do everything BUT pass as a QB. Hardly an indicator of talent performance in our secondary.
You act as if the Broncos somehow made it to the second round of the playoffs last year without scoring a single point all season. Denver put up 23 against the Patriots in their first meeting last year, put up 29 against the Steelers in overtime, put up 35 against the Vikings and put up 38 against the Raiders. It was an up and down team, offensively, with Tebow at the helm, but it was also a team that went 8-3 against non-Patriots teams.
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Originally Posted by Cassanova792
Holding the Ravens and Giants to 20 and 21 points is moderately successful considering it's only a .4-1.4 difference on their points per game season average like you stated. :/
Yes, having that lousy defense holding opponents to 10, 20 and 21 points in the playoffs is a good thing. That's kind of the point. Despite having crap for talent (Sergio Brown, etc....), that team found a way to be middle of the pack in points scored against and found a way to limit opponents in the playoffs. That's excellent coaching.
Here's the reality check:
Chung has never been good against the pass, is undersized for a big hitter, and gets hurt a lot
Gregory isn't starting talent, and this was discussed prior to the season
McCourty is a very inconsistent corner and is just learning the safety position
Dowling lost essentially all of his rookie season to injury, didn't look 100% coming back, and IR'd again
Dennard is a rookie CB who was at the bottom of the depth chart to start the season
Arrington is/was a UDFA CB4 who's been forced into a CB2 role. This has been discussed numerous times
Sterling Moore is a UDFA player who's a back of the roster, at best, player
Cole is a special teams player who's getting forced into action
Wilson is a rookie who is lousy in deep space and needs a whole lot of work if he's ever going to make it
As has been pointed out time and again, it's not as if DBs wash out in New England and then go on to greatness elsewhere.
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Re: Bedard: Forget the Bills game...The Season Starts Now
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Originally Posted by Cassanova792
You are obviously ignoring the fact we were second to last in every other statistical category except defensive rushing yards per game and as you noted scoring. Maybe this has to do with the fact we have a very talented front 7, which perhaps helps save a few points off the board. Also having the #1 offense probably helps your defense a little doesnt it?
So by holding Tim Tebow and the Broncos offense to 10 points is a suprise to you? He can do everything BUT pass as a QB. Hardly an indicator of talent performance in our secondary.
Holding the Ravens and Giants to 20 and 21 points is moderately successful considering it's only a .4-1.4 difference on their points per game season average like you stated. :/
In terms of rushing defense,you make it sound like they dominate everyone up front.....so far Spiller and Ray Rice have had their way with the front 7 and there are more big boys coming up soon like Gore and more notably the scary Foster/Tate combo
Those upcoming runners next month will show us just how good of a run stopping unit this team has going into the post season.
Re: Bedard: Forget the Bills game...The Season Starts Now
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Originally Posted by Deus Irae
I'm not ignoring anything. You, however, are overrating the front seven. This team's linebackers are poor in coverage, and the DL/OLB group of pass rushers is very inconsistent. What the front seven usually does well is defend against the run. Today, they didn't even get that done.
You act as if the Broncos somehow made it to the second round of the playoffs last year without scoring a single point all season. Denver put up 23 against the Patriots in their first meeting last year, put up 29 against the Steelers in overtime, put up 35 against the Vikings and put up 38 against the Raiders. It was an up and down team, offensively, with Tebow at the helm, but it was also a team that went 8-3 against non-Patriots teams.
Yes, having that lousy defense holding opponents to 10, 20 and 21 points in the playoffs is a good thing. That's kind of the point. Despite having crap for talent (Sergio Brown, etc....), that team found a way to be middle of the pack in points scored against.
That's excellent coaching.
As for the linebackers you are absolutely right! They are poor in coverage (mainly Spikes) yet we still drop them into coverage, they are inconsistent on the 4 man rush, yet we hardly blitz. How can you NOT blame coaching and scheme?
As far as the broncos you are nitpicking scores, i can show you far more games where Tim Tebow was just horrendous yet lucky then games where he played average enough to win. He did have a good game against the Steelers though. Tim Tebow we all know is hardly an aerial threat that you are making him out to be he was just fortunate enough to be on a talented Broncos team.
We can go on all night about whether it is coaching or talent. It is probably both, honestly I could care less as long as its fixed. They brought in Talib to bring in some talent, great, but how bout we try something new from our coaches like blitzing instead of dropping our talented but slow LB's into coverage eh? It's pretty obvious we have a very vanilla easy to read defense, which does nothing to help our porous secondary if the QB has all day to read and throw.
As for the linebackers you are absolutely right! They are poor in coverage (mainly Spikes) yet we still drop them into coverage, they are inconsistent on the 4 man rush, yet we hardly blitz. How can you NOT blame coaching and scheme?
As far as the broncos you are nitpicking scores, i can show you far more games where Tim Tebow was just horrendous yet lucky then games where he played average enough to win. He did have a good game against the Steelers though. Tim Tebow we all know is hardly an aerial threat that you are making him out to be he was just fortunate enough to be on a talented Broncos team.
We can go on all night about whether it is coaching or talent. It is probably both, honestly I could care less as long as its fixed. They brought in Talib to bring in some talent, great, but how bout we try something new from our coaches like blitzing instead of dropping our talented but slow LB's into coverage eh? It's pretty obvious we have a very vanilla easy to read defense, which does nothing to help our porous secondary if the QB has all day to read and throw.
We still drop them into coverage? So what, you want us in quarters every game?
We have to drop LBs in coverage
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.
But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
Re: Bedard: Forget the Bills game...The Season Starts Now
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Originally Posted by DocHoliday
We still drop them into coverage? So what, you want us in quarters every game?
We have to drop LBs in coverage
Obviously not, Mayo should be the only one dropping into coverage and Hightower occasionally. Spikes and Hightower for the most part should just strictly go after the QB and focus on stopping the run. Spikes has no business dropping into coverage, EVER, he is far too slow to cover and is a liability. Hightower, on the other hand can do both. He has the speed to cover but i think he can be very very good at going after the QB (just check his film when he was in college). The problem is our current scheme doesn't utilize to our LB'ers strengths.
Last edited by Cassanova792; 11-12-2012 at 12:36 AM..
Re: Bedard: Forget the Bills game...The Season Starts Now
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Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA
In terms of rushing defense,you make it sound like they dominate everyone up front.....so far Spiller and Ray Rice have had their way with the front 7 and there are more big boys coming up soon like Gore and more notably the scary Foster/Tate combo
Those upcoming runners next month will show us just how good of a run stopping unit this team has going into the post season.
Cmon giving up 101 yards to Ray Rice and 150 yards or so to the Bills talented RB duo is nothing to be ashamed about especially if you are constantly dropping the LB'ers to help our much maligned secondary.
Last edited by Cassanova792; 11-12-2012 at 12:29 AM..
Obviously not, Mayo should be the only one dropping into coverage and Hightower occasionally. Spikes and Hightower for the most part should mostly go after the QB. Spikes is too slow to cover and Hightower is very good at going after the QB.
Uhuh.
And you know exactly which play the Bills would run? Let's say they line up with Spiller and/or Jackson wide. Pats go dime/nickel.
Then bring them both in the backfield and run.
What now?
Either way you lose if you react by pulling LB from coverage just to stop the pass. They'll run right over you
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.
But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
Our defense is one of the best and most opportunistic in takeaways in the league, same as last year. We have a very formidable front 7, yet somehow we are one of the worst defenses in the league. This tells me we have talent, scheme is the issue and a coach like Wade can absolutely turn this defense around, more so than Patricia.
This defense can force turnovers (spikes is a God dam monster), the young secondary plus Talib has me excited. I'm starting to wonder if otg is that crazy after all. Dennard can clearly make plays (push out), also missed a tackle or two...McCourty struggled a bit and mayo got killed a few times against the run. They made big plays though. Spikes is a beast and simply ran over the qb while wrapping up his shoulders...flag? Lol. Mayo call looked worse than it was, but reasonable. McCourty had a huge pick at the end.
Re: Bedard: Forget the Bills game...The Season Starts Now
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Originally Posted by Cassanova792
Cmon giving up 101 yards to Ray Rice and 150 yards or so to the Bills talented RB duo is nothing to be ashamed about especially if you are constantly dropping the LB'ers to help our much maligned secondary.
Gotta stop guys like Ray Rice and Arian Foster if you are going to advance in the playoffs......this is my point because the Pats may face both when they get there.
Re: Bedard: Forget the Bills game...The Season Starts Now
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Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA
Gotta stop guys like Ray Rice and Arian Foster if you are going to advance in the playoffs......this is my point because the Pats may face both when they get there.
True but i am more worried about <insert ANY Quarterback's name here> than Ray Rice or Arian Foster. Our secondary cant stop no body.