Bedard: Aqib Talib trade signals change in Patriots philosophy - Page 5 - New England Patriots Forums

***shmessy*** · 11-04-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

The conscience of the team is gone. Myra Kraft is gone; the franchise lives on and re-invents itself.

Be serious! Signing Dennard and Talib is much more like the raiders or bengals than like the patriots.

Ironic you mention that the 2012 Patriots are looking much more like Riaders or Bengals.

Did you never hear of former Bengal Corey Dillon or former Raider Randy Moss?

Myra Kraft did.

Don't try to rewrite history.

ahmed · 11-04-2012, 04:18 PM

Am I the only one who thinks it's the NFL's job as a whole to decide the kind of players they want to employ? If they're willing to employ people with less than great character and if the Patriots think they can be useful and are strong enough of an organization to handle their issues, then I am all for it.

***shmessy*** · 11-04-2012, 04:20 PM

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Awful article. He decided to tell people what they think then tell them they are wrong.
There is an agenda behind this. I don't know what, but this is written like he is personally offended by someone.

I know his agenda:

"I miss Wisconsin and I want to go home!!!!!!!!" I can't blame him - - the Packers ARE a great story and it is refreshing to see a team that is owned by the community. No arguments there.

However, HE made the decision to move. If he has misgivings it's on him. This article has much that is very on target. There is much to be weary of with young Mr. Talib. This column, however, is written like a jilted lover who is stuck for a couple of years living in a bus station. He's upset. But he's upset about more than Talib.

He's a very good football analyst, however he is evidently EXCEPTIONALLY ignorant of Patriot history (particularly that since Bob Kraft bought the team). Incredibly, he thinks the Patriots have never before gone after troubled players. That's a "FAIL", Greg.

Perhaps someone should educate him about players named Megget, Merriwether, Moss and Dillon amongst others.

Danger Zone · 11-04-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

I know his agenda:

"I miss Wisconsin and I want to go home!!!!!!!!"

I have to admit, when I read his article I had the thought that this was big finger to Boston and NE.

It reads like someone butt-hurt and/or trying to burn a bridge.

Uncle Rico · 11-04-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

I know his agenda:

"I miss Wisconsin and I want to go home!!!!!!!!" I can't blame him - - the Packers ARE a great story and it is refreshing to see a team that is owned by the community. No arguments there.

However, HE made the decision to move. If he has misgivings it's on him. This article has much that is very on target. There is much to be weary of with young Mr. Talib. This column, however, is written like a jilted lover who is stuck for a couple of years living in a bus station. He's upset. But he's upset about more than Talib.

He's a very good football analyst, however he is evidently EXCEPTIONALLY ignorant of Patriot history (particularly that since Bob Kraft bought the team). Incredibly, he thinks the Patriots have never before gone after troubled players. That's a "FAIL", Greg.

Perhaps someone should educate him about players named Megget, Merriwether, Moss and Dillon amongst others.

Bedard is a Lincoln-Sudbury HS graduate.

- Staff list - The Boston Globe

I think he probably has a good sense of Pats history.

***shmessy*** · 11-04-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danger Zone

I have to admit, when I read his article I had the thought that this was big finger to Boston and NE.

It reads like someone butt-hurt and/or trying to burn a bridge.

I wish him well. he's an excellent football analyst and I learn alot from reading him.

However, it's pretty obvious that he misses the Packers beat tremendously and doesn't like the NE "culture".

I can't fault him for that. The Green Bay story of a franchise that is owned by its community is a wonderful one. The team is a great organization.

However, he becomes less of a journalist when he publishes this kind of flow of emotional thought. He's much better when he analyzes football (and he may want to study at least a modicum of the history of a team that he is being paid to cover before he opines on its history).

***shmessy*** · 11-04-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

Bedard is a Lincoln-Sudbury HS graduate.

- Staff list - The Boston Globe

I think he probably has a good sense of Pats history.

This column today certainly hides it well.

Being from NE doesn't guarantee knowledge of Patriots history or the need to knock the NE fan mentality like a vegan at a pig roast.

See; Massorotti, Tony

***AndyJohnson*** · 11-04-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

This column today certainly hides it well.

Being from NE doesn't guarantee knowledge of Patriots history or the need to knock the NE fan mentality like a vegan at a pig roast.

See; Massorotti, Tony

I don't think it's that. I think there is some kind of agenda. My guess is that someone Bedard liked and got close to was cut and he didn't like it, or there is someone in the organization that he doesn't like, perhaps BB.
Criticizing the move is fine. Creating an image of the organization that it doesn't profess just to take a decision that is criticizable and make it sound duplicitous, backhanded or an example of the team selling a bill of goods to the fans that it puts character first is just wrong.
When you have to create the story to write the story you should now something is amiss.

***DaBruinz*** · 11-04-2012, 06:35 PM

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As you might recall, there was lots of discussion of the double standard applied to stars like Ty Law, a double-stand I strongly agree with. When one of your stars has an issue, that is one thing. When you use draft picks in order to secure a player with known character issues, that is quite another.

In the end, I get it. We are desperate. We were desperate when we drafted Meriweather. We were desperate when we drafted Dennard (who plays based on a second court decision delaying his trial). We are desperate now.

There is nothing inherently wrong with winning at all costs. There is nothing inherently wrong with having the philosophy of judging and choosing player only on their Sunday performance, and ignoring the rest. There are teams that succeeded with that approach for years.

IMHO, the patriots have taken a different approach in the past. I'm fine with the change; I get it. I am even fine with posters jumping all over the raiders, bengals and lions when they make similar decisions. After all, for us, it is patriots right or wrong.

The Pasts weren't desperate when they drafted Meriweather in the 1st round. Nor were they desperate when they drafted Dennard in the 7th round. 7th round picks have flaws. The charge against Dennard was "suspicion of assaulting a police officer". Suspicion of assaulting a police officer? In other words, they don't really know if he did or not but they felt the need to charge him because he was involved in the bar fight that they responded to. What I find interesting is that it supposedly took 4 cops to take Dennard into custody, but there was no charge of resisting arrest filed against him. He'll be put on probation, imho.

The whole premise that the Pats are in a "Win at all costs" mode is BS just from the standpoint that they aren't throwing money around left and right to bring in NAME players. Making a trade for Talib by sending a 4th and getting a 7th back isn't a sign of "win at all costs". It's a sign of an astute GM adding a piece that could put the team over the top.

Moves that would be "win at all costs" would be bringing in guys like Terrell Owens and Richie Incognito.

Bedard doesn't know or doesn't understand what the "Patriot Way" has been. He needs to be reminded about the likes of Willie Andrews (cut when he got arrested twice in the off-season, once for brandishing a gun), Danny Baugher (cut when he was arrested after a fight with his father), and Kenyatta Jones (cut when he through boiling water on his roommate).

He needs to be reminded that Corey Dillon kept his nose clean while with the Pats. So did Moss until his 3rd year.

***mgteich*** · 11-04-2012, 06:41 PM

You mean like Ochocinco and Haynsworth?

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Moves that would be "win at all costs" would be bringing in guys like Terrell Owens and Richie Incognito.