ATippett56

AJ Smith might get the axe, as well.

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captain stone

Thanks for reminding us...I just had a bad flashback spasm.

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Brady_to_Moss

from that website already posted..he has been getting worse since his rookie year..still young however and better than anyone we have

Deus Irae

Whether Breer's a hater, a homer, or God on high is irrelevant to whether or not he's correct in his point.


He is.

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Finnishfan

I disagree. He is wrong on both points.

How is a young player, who is at his prime and constantly improving (as a player and as a person) a dice-roll? Only "dice-roll" about him is the question whether we can keep him or not during the offseason. If we can't, then a 4th round pick is a heavy price for only 7 regular season games (+ 1 offseason) services.

That is unless he helps us to win a superbowl.

Even if Talib turns out to be worse than his reputation (as can happen to ANY players who are beneficiarys of a good supporting cast around them), then he STILL IMPROVES OUR SECONDARY no matter what.

So apart from the re-signing issue, this is not more of a dice-roll than any trade in this league. Real dice-roll is like one of those offseason deals that tie up millions of our salary cap on "has been" or "suspect" players like Fanene, Haynesworth and Ocho.

About the other point, a bailout by the Bucs is close to the truth, but not quite that.

They KNEW they were not going to keep him after this year. Now if you know you are gonna part ways with a player, then why not try and get some value in return. Bucs are chasing the playoffs right now, but a 4th rounder for a guy who will not be with your franchise anyways in 6 months is just too good of a price.

Its more of a value move on Schianos part than a bailout. He sees the 4th rounder as more valuable than Talibs remaining services with the Bucs.

ctpatsfan77

Correct—players signed (roughly) after the start of TC do not count against the team signing them (or for the team losing them).

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ctpatsfan77

As a minor point, the best comp pick the Bucs could have gotten would be #97(ish) in 2014, which equals a late 4 in 2013. . . which appears to be what they'll be getting.

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TheBostonStraggler

One upside to the Patriots is the largely professional attitude of the team. While there isn't the same amount of the 'guys in charge' from several years ago, there still is Vince and Tom and others whose gravitas probably help steer the locker room in that highly professional direction. Further, the ultimate chief (BB) is a guy whose reputation needs no introduction to Talib or anyone else who takes the field on autumn Sundays.

With that said, I see your point and do not necessarily disagree. One thing about the Patriots (homer alert!), they are an easy team to root for.....because league troublemakers/loudmouths are rarely found on the Patriots. Another positive thing about the Patriots, sometimes the bad apples (actual and supposed) come here and right their reputations to some degree. It's pretty cool that some guys like Dillon and Moss(until the end) and even Ocho can come here and conduct themselves contrary to their reputations/past. With Talib? Here is a guy who has had quite a bit of trouble (but at Pacman level???) and it is fair to say he had (or has) some issues with how he conducts himself. But how nice would it be for the guy to come here, perform solidly on the field as well as conduct himself off field much better than previously? That says something very good about BB and the Patriots if/when that happens.

I don't think the Patriots do themselves a disservice signing players that have negative reputations..... when the environment appears to frequently bring out improved behavior off the field (lol, not perfect...just improved to an acceptable standard). Where I would have issue with the Patriots is if a loudmouth who causes trouble on the field, conducts himself poorly off the field, and the Patriots continued to overlook it for the benefit of more interceptions per season. Fortunately the house of BB isn't one that tolerates that kind of thing much (at least that I have seen).

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goheels22002

The one he did before he had to stop seeing porn stars on the side, or the one after?

1960Pats

I guess Arrington has shown Belichamp that he can play at a better level than Moore or Belichamp thinks that Moore has a better shot at staying unemployed if they need him down the line.

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