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Old 10-25-2012, 05:27 PM   #1
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Default Breer on the Pats' Problems: secondary, pass rush, offensive line

Nothing new, but a decent read:

New England Patriots' three biggest problems; Week 8 X-factors - NFL.com

The problems according to Breer:

1. The secondary
2. The pass rush
3. The OL

Probably in that order of importance.
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I wish we had a pass rush...jones is great..but only 1 man..
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I wish we had a pass rush...jones is great..but only 1 man..
We have other guys that are doing a solid job too.
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FWIW, Yahoo.com's Jason Cole thinks BB should bring back Eric Mangini to fix the secondary, though he admits it will never happen:

Direct Snap: Patriots' Bill Belichick could help his porous secondary by doing the unthinkable - Yahoo! Sports
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I wish we had a pass rush...jones is great..but only 1 man..
Do I just have patriot colored glasses on all the time, or does Jones get held ALOT with no flags?
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We have other guys that are doing a solid job too.
You mean we have another guy? Aside from Ninko who else has rushed the passer lol?
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Do I just have patriot colored glasses on all the time, or does Jones get held ALOT with no flags?
Only on defensive snaps. He's hardly held at all when our offense is on the field. Don't exaggerate.
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Its basically the same secondary and pass rush from last year. I think it was dumb to think you can count on two rookies to make the biggest difference. Arrington should have been gone...just plain awful!
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Pretty much sums it up. I chuckle when I read one on one assessments like PFF makes that rate this OL in the top 10. That is what happens when you lack perspective in analysis.

Nice observation on how Josh has developed into an outside in guy while BOB was an inside out guy. The difference in having Moss in 2007 and 2009 I'd bet had a lot to do with that differing style. BOB wanted an outside presence enough to get into it with Brady over coaching 'em up in game...but he never attempted to force feed him Ocho or some ST player... I'm sure everything Josh draws up on paper sounds genius. Problem is unless things work perfectly genius and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee and a stalled offense on the field when it matters. Probably sucks because if everyone was healthy and elitely talented it would probably all work out swimmingly. You have to be able to win when that isn't the case. Josh struggled with that in 2005 and 2006. Might have learned a few things during that time but 2007 likely got him overthinking. He needs to remember that it was followed by 2008. And his brief stints as a HC in Denver and OC in St. Louis.

The secondary is a tough situation because you can't afford to consistently field a team full of pro bowlers and choices get made. We have a lot of developing talent in the front 7, including some later round draft picks. Just hasn't panned out in the secondary. I do think that decent corners could emerge even from the present mix if they could just find that savvy field general to play safety at a high level while directing traffic for the entire unit. Just think that locating that guy remains at least a season away.

Ergo better get that offense more consistent and able to adapt to all challenges. That starts with stability in the trenches and the ability to pass and run block - including power run blocking - pretty consistently. And focusing a little less on paper scenarios and matchups and a little more on being consistently prepared to execute what we do best.
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Only on defensive snaps. He's hardly held at all when our offense is on the field. Don't exaggerate.
Well, Mayo did get called for a hold when he was sitting on the sideline so you never know what could happen in the nfl these days.
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