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I stated it was a close game that came down to the last play and some questionable refs calls in response to saying that the Pats have only one playoff caliber team and lost. I was stating it was a game that went down to the wire that could have gone either way. It wasn't like the Pats were totally outclassed by the Ravens. The poster implied that the Pats have shown they cannot compete with the playoff caliber teams. That was a game that could have gone either way. I think on a neutral field, the Pats would have won that game but we will never know.
I also never said the Pats could have been 7-0.
maybe not here, but I do believe you said they could be just as easily 7-0 or 3-4
right now, they are killing themselves........typicaly, you'd say you can't expected that kind of trend continue, but the similarity between the endings is so big, that there appears to be a more substantial underlying problem.
typically you can see one major problem that can be worked on. 2 weeks in a row now the pats have literally failed in every aspect (offense, defense, special teams) late in the game. that's a huge problem.......one that Iwould pin on the coaching, because all the players can't be that bad
__________________ “ I think good coaches will coach with the personnel they have, and if you only have one (good) linebacker, you’re not going to play a 3–4. ”
—Hank Bullough, who installed one of the first 3–4 defenses with the New England Patriots.
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it would be a completely different mindset if we had a bunch of guys retire over the last 2 years.
they are 6 years into using more picks on the secondary than any other position....there is a consistent changing of the names, but the result is the same.....or worse
there is no reason to believe that this bunch is going anywhere because of where previous picks (meriweather, wheatley, butler) have wound up as well as where soe are heading (chung, dowling)
I do think for the most part that the type of player they are pursuing is not long for this league. none of them have any outstanding physical characteristics....some have some speed, but it has not translated.
maybe they're looking for hte wrong thing.
Rodney left in 2009 and he was the key cog in a secondary that was never wildly talented once Law departed but still managed to hold it's own even as the front 7 began to lose their edge to age. If you had Rodney Harrison circa 2003 back there today those kids would look a whole lot better because they wouldn't have to spend so much time and effort trying to think and process information on their own, Rodney would do the bulk of the thinking for them and they could just play. Ask Eugene Wilson... Bill has tried to get smart and he's tried to get tough in the draft and FA and none of them was actually talented or bright enough to play his own positon effectively enough to lead the unit. Maybe if they were more talented they wouldn't need quite as much leadership. But then they'd likely be so expensive as to limit what he was attempting to rebuild elsewhere. The JETS have Revis and Cromartie...and look what that's gotten them. Want to trade places?
Rodney left in 2009 and he was the key cog in a secondary that was never wildly talented once Law departed but still managed to hold it's own even as the front 7 began to lose their edge to age. If you had Rodney Harrison circa 2003 back there today those kids would look a whole lot better because they wouldn't have to spend so much time and effort trying to think and process information on their own, Rodney would do the bulk of the thinking for them and they could just play. Ask Eugene Wilson... Bill has tried to get smart and he's tried to get tough in the draft and FA and none of them was actually talented or bright enough to play his own positon effectively enough to lead the unit. Maybe if they were more talented they wouldn't need quite as much leadership. But then they'd likely be so expensive as to limit what he was attempting to rebuild elsewhere. The JETS have Revis and Cromartie...and look what that's gotten them. Want to trade places?
I think an effective 3-4 scheme is needed also.......what the pats run now only allows a maximum of 7 in coaverage. having an extra LB makes a huge difference out there
__________________ “ I think good coaches will coach with the personnel they have, and if you only have one (good) linebacker, you’re not going to play a 3–4. ”
—Hank Bullough, who installed one of the first 3–4 defenses with the New England Patriots.
Sanchez's second half performance against the New England Patriots defense:
16 comp/20 atts 190 yards 1 TD
That is simply pathetic!
what about the part where the pats held him to zero touchdowns and only six points on his last three drives of the game, one of which i believe started near midfield, one of which started inside our 20, and one of which ended in a game-winning forced fumble
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.
But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
I think an effective 3-4 scheme is needed also.......what the pats run now only allows a maximum of 7 in coaverage. having an extra LB makes a huge difference out there
Since Ninkovich is usually one of the DEs. Even in a 4-3, there's nothing to stop them from dropping him into coverage.
The fact that they have this kind of flexibility is one reason why it's so maddening to watch them straight rush 4 all the time. What's to stop them from dropping both Ninkovich and Jones leaving the OTs blocking air while Mayo and Spikes or Hightower rush up the middle. Let's see how many opposition interior lines can block Wilfork, Cunningham, Mayo and Hightower without keeping a back in to block or conceding that their QB is going to be hit hard by a large body.
I think an effective 3-4 scheme is needed also.......what the pats run now only allows a maximum of 7 in coaverage. having an extra LB makes a huge difference out there
And which LB is great in coverage again? i would rather the Big Nickel.
what about the part where the pats held him to zero touchdowns and only six points on his last three drives of the game, one of which i believe started near midfield, one of which started inside our 20, and one of which ended in a game-winning forced fumble
How about the New England Patriots defense doing their job in the fourth quarter and not allowing the opposition back in the game? I guess you missed the fourth quarter of the New England Patriots - Seattle Seahawks game?
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Re: And you thought our Defense was bad....
i would rather the Big Nickel.
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