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Creative Username · 10-14-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianPat

Some are hyprocrites and some are not. The loss is okay, but the way they lost is not okay. When we want a first down, the #1 defense steps up and stops us (again and again the last two games). Our defense? They could barely protect a 4 score lead last week and squander a 2 score lead this week. The last TD by Seattle convinced me that coaching deficiency may have quite a bit to do with our defensive problems. On that play, Seattle sends out two receivers and we play zone? The DB's are standing around having passed on the receivers to the safeties, who then proceed to easily beat them. Dont tell me that they thought a running play was coming.
Talking about coaching deficiencies: Hey McDaniels - what's with a game plan calling for 58 throws by Brady?

Everyone seems to forget that Seattle's defense is not a pushover.
That four score lead was against one of the most prolific QBs of all time and one of the best OLines in football.
Why does everyone expect perfection? There will be ugly games. But we've won our fair share of those as well.

condon84 · 10-14-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Creative Username

Everyone seems to forget that Seattle's defense is not a pushover.
That four score lead was against one of the most prolific QBs of all time and one of the best OLines in football.
Why does everyone expect perfection? There will be ugly games. But we've won our fair share of those as well.

Seattle's defense is overrated. Our O gained 475 yards on them, and had Brady not make boneheaded plays, we would have scored 30+ points on them.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 10-14-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by condon84

We are not a great team at the moment. If you think we are, then you're not very smart.

Were the Giants or the Packers great teams the years they won their rings with 9-7 and 10-6 records? Hell, the Packers went 15-1 the next season only to **** the bed one game into the playoffs...

A segment of this fan base is spoiled to the point they don't even know what it is to be a fan anymore. They're all disgruntled consumers like yourself who thought they signed on for a hell of a lot more than contention...

Ifleninwasawizard · 10-14-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

At some point, the Patriots are going to have to spend some money on bringing in quality DB's. The current strategy has not worked for some years.

We've deluded ourselves that the greatness of Tom Brady means we can do it with a collection of JAGS on D. This simply isn't the case.

First, I think its easier said than done to bring in those DB's. Gregory wasn't great but at least he was starting quality. A few years ago we brought in Leigh Bodden, unfortunately it just didn't work out either. Everybody thought we had hit on DMC, it would have been impossible to see his second year slump and too quick a reaction to bench him. And now its too early to say whether or not throwing a bunch of our picks at this new crop of DB's will work. If it does then we will be built to succeed going into the future because...

I'm not sure how you are missing the evolution of our D. Mayo isn't a JAG. Wilfork isn't a JAG. Spikes isn't a JAG. Jones isn't a JAG. Hightower probably won't be a JAG. Nink and Love are looking to be very solid players, and Cunningham is even showing some worth on 3rd down.

In almost every other position BB has shown ability to get guys who can help us succeed. Just because he has made mistakes with the secondary doesn't mean he is inherently bad at it, it only means that he is a mere mortal like every other coach in NFL history. BB keeping to his own method still gives us better chances to win than any other coach.

And to keep this in perspective. Our D is still better than last years, and our O will be at the very least just as dangerous.

crowell33 · 10-14-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by condon84

Seattle's defense is overrated. Our O gained 475 yards on them, and had Brady not make boneheaded plays, we would have scored 30+ points on them.

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mosi · 10-14-2012, 07:18 PM

Right now, the Pats are just not a good team. Injuries to key players are not helping either. The Rams are better than people think and I would not be surprised if we loose to all the NFC West teams. Heck, right now, the Jets scare me. This team needs a real DC, not Bill or some young guy who cowers to Bill.

Creative Username · 10-14-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by condon84

Seattle's defense is overrated. Our O gained 475 yards on them, and had Brady not make boneheaded plays, we would have scored 30+ points on them.

Perhaps you are underrating our offense? We put up 475 on them because it's what we do. Against quality opponents in GB, Dallas and Carolina, no more than 300 yards was gained in any of those contests.

/argument

***Rob0729*** · 10-14-2012, 07:21 PM

I have said it is more on Brady than most, but I think the blame goes all around. There were few areas of this team that go blameless for this loss.

***blackglass3*** · 10-14-2012, 07:23 PM

Can anyone tell me when is the last time any QB has looked frustrated and like they don't know the exact place to put the ball against our D? I guess Russell Wilson today for the second and third quarter, but besides that? Anyone remember that far back?

condon84 · 10-14-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Were the Giants or the Packers great teams the years they won their rings with 9-7 and 10-6 records? Hell, the Packers went 15-1 the next season only to **** the bed one game into the playoffs...

A segment of this fan base is spoiled to the point they don't even know what it is to be a fan anymore. They're all disgruntled consumers like yourself who thought they signed on for a hell of a lot more than contention...

You are so blind you don't even see what's in front of you. We don't have a great team at the moment. I see a lot of mistakes from the defense, from the offense, and even from our coaches.

Obviously we can still get it together and BECOME a great team, but to say we are a great team right now is idiotic.

Be a little objective about this. We are 3-3 at the moment. Is that a great team? LOL. Am I being an ungrateful fan for criticizing the team I root for? Should I pick up pom poms and join Andy and DaBruinz and the other cheerleaders.

Go put your head in the sand if you can't take a little criticism thrown the Patriots' way.