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Old 10-09-2012, 01:10 PM   #1
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Oakland Fans are NOT happy with the way things have played out. It appears they overpaid for a far past his prime former great who cannot get it done anymore

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What do you guys think of the man we got in this trade, Nate Solder. Has he lived up to your expectations?
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:13 PM   #2
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New franchise LT + keeping Vince Wilfork beats keeping Richard Seymour every single time for me.
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Yeah, let's judge the man's career by disgruntled message board posters.

I was fine with the trade because he would have required a long term contract, Wilfork and others needed to be taken care of for the future, the pick projected to be very high (it wasn't) and Seymour had some wear and tear and it looked like a fair gamble based on risk reward.

It isn't necessary to look back and call him a bum, because he's not and never was. He's one of the great linemen of this era and should be respected as such.

He certainly wasn't washed up in an era where we were competitive yet failed to win the Super Bowl.

Hindsight is 20-20 and messageboard posts aren't worth the cyberspace they're printed on as far as consistent analysis goes.

We traded a great player and got a mid 1st round draft pick. It gave us the ability to sign other good/great players.

Since we don't know how the future would have changed otherwise, nothing else can be implied from that IMO.
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Part of the reason why Raiders fans are upset was not the trade itself, but for the fact that they were forced to overpay him because they gave up a first rounder for him and couldn't cut ties when he showed to be a very good player and not an elite player.

I would have loved to keep Seymour. But if it truly was an either/or between Wilfork and Seymour, the Pats made the correct choice.
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To me it's more about do we regret not planning to resign him. The trade is only an issue for hte 2009 season where even with Seymour the team would have gone nowhere.
Truth is we'll never know if he'd have helped this team to a ring, or if he's worth the cash he was going to count against the cap. I do know these 2 things: Oakland fans are clearly not happy with him so signs point towards us making the correct move. Also in 2008 when he had one of his best most productive seasons, our pass rush was still crap and defensively as a whole we couln't get it done in the biggest games which ultimately decided our fate in that playoff race. I stand by BB's decision and if Solder turns out to be our franchise LT, that was really a heck of a trade.
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But have we won any SB's since Big-Sey left? Like BB said time and time again guys like Richard Seymour don't grow on trees. I still think we have won at least one of our last two SB's if we had him.

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But have we won any SB's since Big-Sey left? Like BB said time and time again guys like Richard Seymour don't grow on trees. I still think we have won at least one of our last two SB's if we had him.
Wasn't he still on the team in 2007 when they went to the super bowl?
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I was okay with the trade then and I am more than okay with it now. I thought back then (and I still think now) that Seymour needed a change of scenery to be effective. It seems to have worked out okay for both sides notwithstanding the Oakland fans' 20/20 hindsight.
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We traded a great player and got a mid 1st round draft pick. It gave us the ability to sign other good/great players.

*compensation was deferred 1 season, ala the Branch trade of 2005/06 season. we all know what the 'chart of values' says about that.
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If we're gonna go revise history, why not say "what if we never signed Adalius and instead used some of that money to keep Wilfork AND Seymour"? Instead of drafting Chad Jackson, we draft Jennings. Hell, we could have traded the Maroney pick to move back and get Jones-Drew later on, add a pick and also pick Dumervil.
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