What do Marino, Elway, Montana, and Young all have in common? - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

PatsFanSince74 · 07-08-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Collins is a recent retiree, but he went to the Pro Bowl at 36 and had his 3rd best QB rating at 38.

Well said. 37--38 seems to be an important time for elite qb's. It just doesn't seem random that the best of the best retire then on average.

PatsFanSince74 · 07-08-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by everlong

They all played in eras where you really had to rough the quarterback to get a flag. Today's rules are on Brady's side.

Second today's passing game is out getting the ball out quickly not about the down the field passing game of eras of the past.

All that can change with one blindside hit but I like Brady and other QB's of today's chances of playing later into their careers.

That's what we will learn, of course, one way or the other over the next ten years.

I do think, however, that you have to put into that same mix the importance of an increased awareness of the medium and long term consequences of sustained head impact that might or might not rise to the level of "concussion" or even "head injury" as we currently define those terms. Remember, these guys have been taking hits to the head since they were 12 or 13.

If I'm a smart guy with a fulfilling life ahead of me after football, I think I'm definitely going to weigh those factors as well as the important issues that you point out.

PatsFanSince74 · 07-08-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mayoclinic

I would certainly think that there's a better chance that an "elite" QB like Brady stays effective into his late 30's than that a non-elite guy does. Conditioning, physical impairments and the will to compete play a huge role. Right now Brady seems to be in good shape on all 3 fronts, so I wouldn't put it past him. The last factor is huge. Brady has already defied the odds to a huge extent. As long as he stays healthy and maintains his competitive drive, there's not much I wouldn't put past him achieving.

That's very true. I would just add that only Brady and those closest to him can really know how the three factors truly come into play in his case.

Based on the information we have, it certainly looks like he's a guy who wants to and very well could play into his late 30's or early 40's. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised if he hung it up sooner.

***patsfan13*** · 07-08-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by borg

Guys like Montana, Young, Elway were are better physical specimens than Brady...better athletes....yet they didn't last. I'll brag about Brady's athleticism over Marino though. But when you compare guys like Testeverde and Collins....just big strong sturdy dudes.
Of course this topic must include a conversation about preserving star status verses maintaining a paycheck.
For Brady....I see a two year extension being the answer

The guys you mentionspent a lot more time out of the pocket scrambling. In fact Young was stopped by concussions not a lack of ability to throw. Brady doesn't seem to have suffered many concussions (he says no concussions) Warren Moon was very effective at 40 also.

brdmaverick · 07-08-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsWSB47

They all retired with less rings than Brady will have by the time here retires

I know this response was a direct answer to the thread title, but given how the topic has been discussed, this might even be more reason why we should worry sooner than these other QBs? With more accomplished, why wouldn't Brady also consider 'life after football' especially when he is expanding his family that includes a supermodel wife.

PatsWSB47 · 07-08-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by brdmaverick

I know this response was a direct answer to the thread title, but given how the topic has been discussed, this might even be more reason why we should worry sooner than these other QBs? With more accomplished, why wouldn't Brady also consider 'life after football' especially when he is expanding his family that includes a supermodel wife.

My impression is that he is personally driven and also has the complete support of his wife to carry on for as long as he can. He wants more and will not stop until he gets it or knows he's no longer capable. That's my story and i'm sticking with it

***Frezo*** · 07-08-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brdmaverick

I know this response was a direct answer to the thread title, but given how the topic has been discussed, this might even be more reason why we should worry sooner than these other QBs? With more accomplished, why wouldn't Brady also consider 'life after football' especially when he is expanding his family that includes a supermodel wife.

There's plenty of time to Sink The Bismark after 40.

Bravo777 · 07-08-2012, 08:37 PM

I was going to say that they were all Quarterbacks

***jmt57*** · 07-08-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by everlong

They all played in eras where you really had to rough the quarterback to get a flag. Today's rules are on Brady's side.

Second today's passing game is out getting the ball out quickly not about the down the field passing game of eras of the past.

All that can change with one blindside hit but I like Brady and other QB's of today's chances of playing later into their careers.

I think it is a valid point that the way the game was officiated in the past works in favor for more longevity for today's players. They also benefit from better knowledge about nutrition, training, exercise and health.

On the other hand the players delivering those hits are bigger, stronger and faster. Yesterday's game was more run oriented, which meant pass rushers were hitting the quarterback less often. Perhaps most importantly teams used to play 12-13 games depending on whether or not they were involved in the championship game; today's players go through 16-20 games per season.

It's as if the tire is now engineered to wear down more slowly and last longer, but the vehicle is being driven for more miles. The question is which is more likely going to cause a flat: the beating as a result of the old rules and old ways of doing things, or the bigger players and longer seasons?

bagwell368 · 07-09-2012, 06:07 AM

Young and Elway both ran a lot more then Tom. Montana somewhat more. Marino had a neck injury.

Medicine, work outs, rules all work in TB's favor now. But, he's never recovered from his knee injury 100% IMO.

I expect something like two more elite years, 1 good year, 1-2 injury plagued years, followed by retirement.