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Why would have Moose Johnston go up against Welker? Welker is a WR and Johnston was a FB. Until Welker shows more than one year, I will give the edge to Johnston if you are calling him a WR, but comparing the two is an unfair comparison since they play different positions. You shpuld be comparing Harper to Welker.
As of right now, Mankins is the only guy I see who is as good as about 3 or 4 of the Cowboys' o-line. Newton (6 pro bowls and 5 all pro), Williams (4 Pro Bowls and 3 All Pros), Stepnoski (5 Pro Bowls), and Tuinei (2 Pro Bowls and 2 All Pros) are arguably more talented than any of the Pats o-linemen other than potentially Mankins.
I guess I am wrong. I guess if you take the homerish view, you can argue last year's Patriots offense was more talented.
I see your point, but I would say the jury is still out as to what type of careers some of the current Patriots will churn out. Some of the guys on the OL are still young and maybe the best is yet to come!
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Johnston was a spectacular FB and was arguably the best FB in the league in 1993 and 1994. From a pure talent standpoint, that makes Johnston better. Again, you are comparing Johnston to Welker as if they were both WRs and they weren't. Johnston was near the top if not the top of his position and Welker is not.
I noted the difficulty of comparison because of the different base offenses being used. However, Welker led the league in receptions. His season was definitely the better season.
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I would take Tuinei over Light. Light is an above average tackle. Tuinei was better than above average, but not in the great realm. Stepnoski was far better than you give him credit for. He was at the time a top 3 center. I would say Koppen was a top 5.
1.) Light was better than Tuinei. However, just to avoid argument, I still called it even in my second breakdown (4-4-3). As for Stepnoski, how did I belittle him? I rated him and Koppen as a "tie". You're calling top 3 vs. to 5. That's essentially a "tie". We're on the same plane there.
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I would say from a pure talent standpoint from top to bottom of this roster, I would put this past year's Pats in the 10-15 range maybe. I am not trying to trash our players, but this offense didn't produce because of talent alone. It produced because players knew their roles and played smart with great coaching. There was defintely talent on this team, but it is really crazy to sugguest that this offense is as talented as many of the top offenses (many of which just won on talent alone despite coaching - see the late 90s Viking with Brian Billick as the OC).
How you get that is beyond me. It makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Good article.For all the bashers, the reason he's the OC is the intelligence, intensity and focus he shares with Belichick and Brady.
You mean Josh "The Single Biggest Reasons We Lost the Super Bowl" McDaniels? For all his intelligence, his game planning for the super bowl was the worst. How can you not exploit the Giants slow linebackers? You've got no time to throw because of the giants pass rush so he let brady stand in the pocket and try to hit Moss. No adjustments to anything, no gadget plays. This where we were hurt - not having Charlie Weis.
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"He’s the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. He goes from being a rookie that nobody is expecting anything from, to taking over with people saying he can’t do it, to winning three Super Bowls....It should already be obvious he’s the greatest quarterback to ever have played. "
Just a quick aside - McDaniels game plan in the Super Bowl was a product of Bill and Ernie as much as it was Josh - So let's not so quickly judge Josh solely for the debacle.
It's not like he said, "I have the game plan Bill and you can't see it."
Ya know?
see i disagree with that. i think belichick gave him more leeway with the offense last year because belichick had to spend 75% of the time coaching the defense. if we had RAC, then we wouldn't be in that situation.
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"He’s the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. He goes from being a rookie that nobody is expecting anything from, to taking over with people saying he can’t do it, to winning three Super Bowls....It should already be obvious he’s the greatest quarterback to ever have played. "
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You mean Josh "The Single Biggest Reasons We Lost the Super Bowl" McDaniels? For all his intelligence, his game planning for the super bowl was the worst. How can you not exploit the Giants slow linebackers? You've got no time to throw because of the giants pass rush so he let brady stand in the pocket and try to hit Moss. No adjustments to anything, no gadget plays. This where we were hurt - not having Charlie Weis.
Goodness. Do I have to say it again?
If you want to blame Josh, fine. However, blaming Josh and not blaming Bill and Ernie is just dumb. They were all in it together - Like I said, Josh did not go to Bill and say "I got the game plan and you can't see it!"
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see i disagree with that. i think belichick gave him more leeway with the offense last year because belichick had to spend 75% of the time coaching the defense. if we had RAC, then we wouldn't be in that situation.
That may be true, Bro.
But ain't no way in hell I'm buying that in the Super Bowl.....with 2 weeks to prepare - No way, not a chance and would never happen.
Bill and Ernie were all over that game plan and I blame Ernie for not calling down the appropriate 2nd Half adjustments.
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