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1 ~ Chandler Jones. #21 Pick in the Nation. Probable Starter. Possible Star.
2 ~ Donte HighTower. #25 Pick in the Nation. Probable Starter. Possible Star.
3 ~ Jake Bequette. #90 Pick in the Nation, and for my money, 100% on Par with the other two.
4 ~ Jermaine Cunningham. #53 Pick in the Nation in 2010. Made outstanding strides as a Rookie, and though he regressed dramatically in a twisted Sophomore year, many do, and I am highly confident of a tremendous resurgence: He already had what it took to quickly earn a starting gig as a Rookie at a new position ~ and an incredibly complicated one. However awful last year was for'm, I have an hard time believing that the kid who managed all that won't be able to play very effectively, indeed, at a position ~ Defensive End ~ that he already has plenty of experience at, now that he'll have a normal off season to work with.
5 ~ Rob Ninkovich. Established Starter, keeps getting better every year.
6 ~ Trevor Scott. Stunning steal who has already proven to be incredibly versatile along the Front 7, effective and occasionally brilliant despite being bounced all over the place...And he could develop into a a tremendous force over the next few years, were he to stick around, master his Craft, and develop his Gifts.
7 ~ Markell Carter. Dark Horse who brings an highly intriguing fusion of Raw Talent, Passion, and Intensity to the table, and who is starting to develop a bit of a Cult Following, hereabouts...and rightly so.
8 ~ Andre Carter. The ultimate Shadow Roster candidate. When he's 100%, and had enough time to take it back through the gears, so to speak ~ I'm thinking: October ~ he should once again be a TERROR.
I think we're ALL getting a LITTLE sick and tired of Coach Bill The Mad (Genius) HOARDING highly talented, highly motivated Edge Players, and WANTONLY expending VAST riches in Draft Capital in doing so!!
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This from the guy who could only manage a record of 12-4 or better for 6 out of his 12 seasons with the Pats (2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2011). What kind of crappy performance is that?
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "OVER Loading at ANY position can create a Fatal Advantage. THAT is what interests ME. Attacking With Concentrated Force. THAT is what WINS. In the words ~ more or less ~ of General Patton: 'I'm fighting a WAR, here. Let the B*****ES worry about their FLANKS.' " - Off the Grid
"The key to any successful organization is to anticipate things, not react to them." - Michael Lombardi
Realistically, I think that Jones, Hightower, Bequette and Ninkovich are locks for roster spots. Cunningham, the two Carters and Scott are probably fighting for 2 roster spots. I would be happy to see Andre Carter on the "shadow roster", if his leg doesn't heal quickly enough and some other team doesn't snatch him up first. Otherwise, let the training camp competition sort things out - it will make those who survive stronger. I'd be fine flipping the odd man out for a late round draft pick, too.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "OVER Loading at ANY position can create a Fatal Advantage. THAT is what interests ME. Attacking With Concentrated Force. THAT is what WINS. In the words ~ more or less ~ of General Patton: 'I'm fighting a WAR, here. Let the B*****ES worry about their FLANKS.' " - Off the Grid
"The key to any successful organization is to anticipate things, not react to them." - Michael Lombardi
Realistically, I think that Jones, Hightower, Bequette and Ninkovich are locks for roster spots. Cunningham, the two Carters and Scott are probably fighting for 2 roster spots. I would be happy to see Andre Carter on the "shadow roster", if his leg doesn't heal quickly enough and some other team doesn't snatch him up first. Otherwise, let the training camp competition sort things out - it will make those who survive stronger. I'd be fine flipping the odd man out for a late round draft pick, too.
I have A Carter starting the season in the PUP list like Deaderick & Brace last year, I have All 7 on the roster, the guess is that someone in the front 7 ends up in IR and A Carter comes back by game 9.
My first projection on the front 7.
DE (4) Brandon Deaderick, Jonathan Fanene, Chandler Jones, Jake Bequette
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Myron Pryor, Gerald Warren
ILB(4) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Dane Fletcher
OLB(4) Rob Ninkovich, Trevor Scott, Jermaine Cunningham, Markell Carter
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
I have A Carter starting the season in the PUP list like Deaderick & Brace last year, I have All 7 on the roster, the guess is that someone in the front 7 ends up in IR and A Carter comes back by game 9.
If the Pats sign Andre Carter and PUP him I'm all for it. It depends to some extent on his recovery - if he's fully healed and ready for training camp then that's not an option, and the Pats will have to either sign him to compete with the other guys or let him go elsewhere. But if he's not 100% back I think the Pats have the inside track.
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My first projection on the front 7.
DE (4) Brandon Deaderick, Jonathan Fanene, Chandler Jones, Jake Bequette
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Myron Pryor, Gerald Warren
ILB(4) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Dane Fletcher
OLB(4) Rob Ninkovich, Trevor Scott, Jermaine Cunningham, Markell Carter
I think you're exactly right about 16 "front 7" players, with 9 DBs. Mike Reiss notes that the Pats currently have 27 front 7 players on the roster, the most of any NFL team:
Discounting rookie UDFA and practice squad players (Justin Francis, Marcus Forston, Alex Silvestro, etc.), in your scenario the Pats will end up cutting Marcus Harrison, Ron Brace, Bobby Carpenter, Jeff Tarpinian, Tracy White and Niko Koutovides.
As I see it, barring injury:
DT/DE(5-6): Wilfork, Fanene, Love and Pryor are givens. I think Warren is, too. Deaderick is likely. Ron Brace and Marcus Harrison get cut. Marcus Forston hopefully makes it to the PS, or gets a case of the Foxboro flue. The Pats could keep only 5 here, though I think 6 is likely.
DE/OLB(4-5): Chandler Jones and Jake Bequette should be givens. Assuming Andre Carter goes on PUP or isn't signed, I see Travis Scott, Jermaine Cunningham and Markell Carter competing for probably 2 spots. A 3rd spot is possible, but I think it's unlikely.
LB(5-7): Jerod Mayo, Dont'a Hightower, Brandon Spikes and Rob Ninkovich are givens. I agree with you about Dane Fletcher being likely, but he's not a given yet. Jeff Tarpinian, Bobby Carpenter and Tracy White would all be tough cuts. Niko Koutovides is a long shot. I see 6 spots as likely here, but it could be more.
As I see it, about 10 guys are locks barring injury: (Wilfork, Fanene, Love, Pryor; Jones and Bequette; Mayo, Hightower, Spikes and Ninkovich. Dane Fletcher, Travis Scott and one of Gerard Warren seem likely to me, but aren't sure things. The rest is up in the air.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "OVER Loading at ANY position can create a Fatal Advantage. THAT is what interests ME. Attacking With Concentrated Force. THAT is what WINS. In the words ~ more or less ~ of General Patton: 'I'm fighting a WAR, here. Let the B*****ES worry about their FLANKS.' " - Off the Grid
"The key to any successful organization is to anticipate things, not react to them." - Michael Lombardi
This from the guy who could only manage a record of 12-4 or better for 6 out of his 12 seasons with the Pats (2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2011). What kind of crappy performance is that?
.... and a guy who spreads himself so thin the Biggest Loser rejected his application.
Glad to see him stocking the pond at pass rusher but let's not not count that money til the check's cashed. The only one on that list who's proven it in the NFL is Carter, and to a lesser extent Nincovich.
Carters coming back from injury at an age that makes it questionable (I love the guy, my favorite from last year and I was an early booster here, but what I said is true until he roars back). Production is what counts, and the quality of our cuts don't mean diddly.
Sorry to be a bummer, but it's time for the gladiators to prove it in the arena.
If the Pats sign Andre Carter and PUP him I'm all for it. It depends to some extent on his recovery - if he's fully healed and ready for training camp then that's not an option, and the Pats will have to either sign him to compete with the other guys or let him go elsewhere. But if he's not 100% back I think the Pats have the inside track.
I agree.
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Discounting rookie UDFA and practice squad players (Justin Francis, Marcus Forston, Alex Silvestro, etc.), in your scenario the Pats will end up cutting Marcus Harrison, Ron Brace, Bobby Carpenter, Jeff Tarpinian, Tracy White and Niko Koutovides.
White, Tarpinian and Brace are the toughest cuts. I could see Tarpinian on the PS again.
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As I see it, barring injury:
DT/DE(5-6): Wilfork, Fanene, Love and Pryor are givens. I think Warren is, too. Deaderick is likely. Ron Brace and Marcus Harrison get cut. Marcus Forston hopefully makes it to the PS, or gets a case of the Foxboro flue. The Pats could keep only 5 here, though I think 6 is likely.
Agree with all the above. I like Forston and hope he can be slipped onto the PS maybe with a better contract a la Carter to keep him from being picked up to take Warren's spot inthe future.
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DE/OLB(4-5): Chandler Jones and Jake Bequette should be givens. Assuming Andre Carter goes on PUP or isn't signed, I see Travis Scott, Jermaine Cunningham and Markell Carter competing for probably 2 spots. A 3rd spot is possible, but I think it's unlikely.
I have all of them on the roster with the projection that Carter will start on PUP to get fully healed. If he is healthy then a togh cut will be made.
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LB(5-7): Jerod Mayo, Dont'a Hightower, Brandon Spikes and Rob Ninkovich are givens. I agree with you about Dane Fletcher being likely, but he's not a given yet. Jeff Tarpinian, Bobby Carpenter and Tracy White would all be tough cuts. Niko Koutovides is a long shot. I see 6 spots as likely here, but it could be more.
Agreed. I wonder if Tarpinain is still PS eligable.
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As I see it, about 10 guys are locks barring injury: (Wilfork, Fanene, Love, Pryor; Jones and Bequette; Mayo, Hightower, Spikes and Ninkovich. Dane Fletcher, Travis Scott and one of Gerard Warren seem likely to me, but aren't sure things. The rest is up in the air.
T White was the 'toughest' cut for me, here is my complete first cut roster with caveats:
Projections comeback by Cunningham, M Carter steps up (White is very tough cut here) and Bolden is the UDFA who makes the roster this year.
Lots of tough cuts inc Branch who loses close battle to Stallworth, will not be surprised if this goes the other way. Even losing guys to IR during camp this is a very deep roster, defered to younger players for game day inactives.
I also am counting McCourty as a S but the backfield will be driven by sub packages and matchup in a given week, so I don't care what we call th DB's to an extent. I like Cole as a ST guy who can actualy play the position if need it. The Jets CB spot was a tougher place to get PT than ours the past couple of years.
Kept 2 QB's projecting that Mallett emerges as the #2 so a trade for Hoyer with Hartline as a PS developmental QB.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
The only one on that list who's proven it in the NFL is Carter, and to a lesser extent Ninkovich.
It's splitting hairs a bit, but Trevor Scott had 12 sacks his first 2 years with the Raiders. That ought to count for something. But, like Carter, he's had injury issues.
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To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "OVER Loading at ANY position can create a Fatal Advantage. THAT is what interests ME. Attacking With Concentrated Force. THAT is what WINS. In the words ~ more or less ~ of General Patton: 'I'm fighting a WAR, here. Let the B*****ES worry about their FLANKS.' " - Off the Grid
"The key to any successful organization is to anticipate things, not react to them." - Michael Lombardi
It's splitting hairs a bit, but Trevor Scott had 12 sacks his first 2 years with the Raiders. That ought to count for something. But, like Carter, he's had injury issues.
I didn't express myself well, I guess i really meant on the team. Obviously, he has some success elsewhere, but that hasn't translated to success here in the past for other FAs either.
My point being (barring a huge all pro we expect to dominate) we're stocking the pond well, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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