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Old 05-14-2012, 05:21 PM   #31
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Well I think there will be 4 RB and 1 FB.

I favor Larsen as the FB, versatility is a key here he can play a little LB and all the ST's. If he is a good ST guy he could fill a ST role similar to what we saw from T White, and free up a LB slot that IMO is needed for our young LB's who have upside as position players.

I would project 4 RB's.

Woodhead and Vareen are the 3rd down type role that Faulk use to fill. Vareen could be special and provide the sort of explosiveness we haven't seen out of the backfield since BB has been here. Woodhead will benefit from fewer reps.


I really like what I saw from Ridley last year and IMO he would have passed BJGE as the #1 member of the committe. Behind him we have a couple of other backs with good size Addai and Bolden. IMO the last RB slot weill be between Addai and Bolden (barring injuries of course). How much does Addai have left? Could we get Bolden onto the practice squad? I am really curious to see what Bolden looks like in the preseason, can he contribute on ST's and pass block if so, Bolden could earn the spot (and be our UDFA roster guy this year)


With the number of weapons in the passing game teams will not be able to load the box against the running game, so the running game could be a very nice surprise this year especially if Vareen and Ridley step up.

IF we have apotent running game to add to the passing atack this O could surpass the O last year and the 2007 O.

I can't wait for the season to start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:27 PM   #32
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When evaluating our Running Attack's prospects, I believe the first place to look is not in the BackField, but on the Offensive Line...and, above all, to the Offensive Guards.

The Packers won 5 Championships in 7 years for many reasons...

But the greatest influence on their Fate was that of their O Guards: Jerry Kramer and Fuzzy Thurston.

The Lombardi Sweep was the foundation on which that Empire was built.

And Fuzzy Thurston and Jerry Kramer were its chief Architects.

If you want to evaluate a team's prospects of Running success...look, first, to the O Guards.



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And who can forget one of the great bad man names (see "The Gunfighter w G Peck palying Jim Ringo) for a FB player of all time the late Jim Ringo Packer Center...
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I ass-ume that you are referring to the recently-concluded draft.


Where specifically did you see opportunities to acquire a Guard?


At 48? At 197? At 235? Post-draft?
#24 ~ Dave DeCastro ~ Top 5 Talent. Hall of FAME Prospect.

#40 ~ Amini Silatolu ~ Top 20 Talent. 10X All Pro Potential.

#151 ~ Senio Kelemete ~ Top 20 Talent!! 10X All Pro Potential in the 5th!!!

#248 ~ Kelvin Beachum ~ Top 100 Talent ~ 10 Year Starter, Potential All Pro.

UFA ~ Dave Snow ~ Top 100 Talent ~ Potential All Pro who went UFA!!!

UFA ~ Wayne Tribue ~ Top 100 Talent ~ Potential All Pro who ALSO went UFA!!!

And that's just the Cream of the Crop, Brother Stone!!

There were a LEGION of sweet O Guard Opps, this year!!
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#24 ~ Dave DeCastro ~ Top 5 Talent. Hall of FAME Prospect.

#40 ~ Amini Silatolu ~ Top 20 Talent. 10X All Pro Potential.

#151 ~ Senio Kelemete ~ Top 20 Talent!! 10X All Pro Potential in the 5th!!!

#248 ~ Kelvin Beachum ~ Top 100 Talent ~ 10 Year Starter, Potential All Pro.

UFA ~ Dave Snow ~ Top 100 Talent ~ Potential All Pro who went UFA!!!

UFA ~ Wayne Tribue ~ Top 100 Talent ~ Potential All Pro who ALSO went UFA!!!

And that's just the Cream of the Crop, Brother Stone!!

There were a LEGION of sweet O Guard Opps, this year!!
From what I hear Markus Zusevics could be a steal as a developmental OG prospect. A lot of people were very high on him before his Combine injury.

For me, the one that hurts the most is Senio Kelemete. If the Pats had been able to get something closer to "book value" for the #62 pick they would have probably been able to get the players they got PLUS Kelemete, who I think is a terrific prospect, and who could have been groomed to succeed Brian Waters in 2013.

I like several of the OG prospects for 2013, and hope that the Pats address the position next year.
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When evaluating our Running Attack's prospects, I believe the first place to look is not in the BackField, but on the Offensive Line...and, above all, to the Offensive Guards.

The Packers won 5 Championships in 7 years for many reasons...

But the greatest influence on their Fate was that of their O Guards: Jerry Kramer and Fuzzy Thurston.

The Lombardi Sweep was the foundation on which that Empire was built.

And Fuzzy Thurston and Jerry Kramer were its chief Architects.

If you want to evaluate a team's prospects of Running success...look, first, to the O Guards.



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And who can forget one of the great bad man names (see "The Gunfighter w G Peck palying Jim Ringo) for a FB player of all time the late Jim Ringo Packer Center...
PREACH it, Brother 13!!

Jim Ringo was a BAD MAN!!!

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#24 ~ Dave DeCastro ~ Top 5 Talent. Hall of FAME Prospect.

#40 ~ Amini Silatolu ~ Top 20 Talent. 10X All Pro Potential.

#151 ~ Senio Kelemete ~ Top 20 Talent!! 10X All Pro Potential in the 5th!!!

#248 ~ Kelvin Beachum ~ Top 100 Talent ~ 10 Year Starter, Potential All Pro.

UFA ~ Dave Snow ~ Top 100 Talent ~ Potential All Pro who went UFA!!!

UFA ~ Wayne Tribue ~ Top 100 Talent ~ Potential All Pro who ALSO went UFA!!!

And that's just the Cream of the Crop, Brother Stone!!

There were a LEGION of sweet O Guard Opps, this year!!
I can't get over James Brown, out of Troy, was a tackle at 6'3.5 but had 34+ inch arms, and he went as a UDFA. I would have killed to have us pick him up and train him to play on the interior.
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I can't get over James Brown, out of Troy, was a tackle at 6'3.5 but had 34+ inch arms, and he went as a UDFA. I would have killed to have us pick him up and train him to play on the interior.
Reportedly teams passed on Brown because of off-field concerns:

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Many projections had Brown going in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft. He was viewed as one of the few left tackle candidates available in the middle rounds. The 6-foot-3, 307-pounder has some strength and quickness. While he is shorter than most tackles, he could move inside to guard if he struggles on the edge.

Sources from the scouting community have revealed that Brown went undrafted because of off-the-field concerns. They did not get specific about what those issues were, but said that was the reason for Brown to become an undrafted free agent. He signed with Chicago, a team that has had problems at left tackle. Brown will have the opportunity to compete for a roster spot, but a reputation for off-the-field issues will decrease his margin for error.

Brown is fortunate he signed with a team that needs help at tackle, which should increase his odds of making the roster. After falling into the undrafted ranks, Brown has a lot to prove on the field and off of it.
WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft Rumor Mill (entry for May 6)

The Pats generally don't seem very interested in investing in UDFAs who slip because of character issues, for better or worse.
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From what I hear Markus Zusevics could be a steal as a developmental OG prospect. A lot of people were very high on him before his Combine injury.

For me, the one that hurts the most is Senio Kelemete. If the Pats had been able to get something closer to "book value" for the #62 pick they would have probably been able to get the players they got PLUS Kelemete, who I think is a terrific prospect, and who could have been groomed to succeed Brian Waters in 2013.

I like several of the OG prospects for 2013, and hope that the Pats address the position next year.
Kelemete was fascinating to me, as a former D-line player who was moved to LT, he'd completely raw as a Guard but has fantastic athleticism. He would have been magnificent raw material to be trained in Dante's Inferno. Once this guys gets some time to polish off the rough edges he's going to become more lethal than Martin Riggs.



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WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft Rumor Mill (entry for May 6)

The Pats generally don't seem very interested in investing in UDFAs who slip because of character issues, for better or worse.
Damn, that's rough. We traded away draft capital for a character concern like Haynesworth, we could have had Brown for nothing.
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PREACH it, Brother 13!!

Jim Ringo was a BAD MAN!!!



Trapping for the Great Jim Taylor. One of the few () advantages of my approaching geezerhood was having seen all these guys play.

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