resdubwhite

Most people are rubbishing this pick right now.

I'll make judgement when he sees the field.

IllegalContact

But then again......Wheatley, butler.......the trend continues

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PatsFanInVa

Oh yeah, it's a given that some draftees never pan out. I'm still excited to see what we get out of Me, Myself, and Ras-I. By the way I have no way of knowing whether he's in some way selfish or not, I just hope he is so I can use that nickname on him. But then again, I'm still excited to see Chad Jackson reach his full potential. On the other side, I'm over my cynicism about the Gronkowski/Hernandez double-dip, know what I'm sain?

Truth is we just don't know d1ck until years later. But hell, there's no football for months and this is the only thing broadcast with the NFL logo anywhere in evidence. Ring the bell, the dog slobbers, what can I say.

Uncle Rico

Reiss provided an interesting link last night — comments on drafting of Vollmer. Sunds familiar:

Sebastian Vollmer analysis - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com

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State

When analyzing the seemingly strange second round for the Patriots--taking a player ranked as a Day Three guy at 48 and trading down for poor value--one needs to pay attention in future years not just to the play of Tavon Wilson, assuming he plays, which I think he will, but the play of the talented guys available at 48 that we passed on.

Like UConn's Reyes, the defensive lineman, taken at 49. Or another DB like Oklahoma's Jamell Fleming, another perfect fit for the Patriots.

I'm convinced taking another Wilson DB from Illinois wasn't merely a reach, it was a panic move. We totally screwed over the Ravens again in the first round by taking Hightower whom they obviously coveted, and perhaps Bill was worried that another team was going to do the same to us with Wilson.

I just think it was going to happen that high in the draft.

The probability is very high--of course impossible to prove--that Wilson is there for us at 62--or well beyond.

Wilson was a need pick but taken earlier than he needed to be. And I'm worried that Belichick is starting to internalize his own press about being a genius.

It's possible everyone was wrong about Wilson. It's possible teams had him ranked much higher than we were led to believe. Having in for a visit, as seven teams are reported to have done, shows a possible interest.

But I believe Belichick likes to stir the pot. I think he enjoyed seeing The Hair (Mel Kiper) rendered speechless. I know Ron Zook from my own sources thinks very highly of the player selected.

And yet...it was a reach. Better players were available for us at 48. And Belichick made a mistake, which I think will be proven in the next few years.

Chandler Jones--Dont'a Hightower--Kendall Reyes/Jamell Fleming. That's what we should have done. It hurts that we didn't get a better player at 48. If I'm wrong, it's likely the Patriots were in taking Wilson when he would very likely have around at 62.

But since the Patriots were apparently not going to keep 62, as events turned out, they were forced to go for the reach and take a player at an obvious HUGE need, safety.

Grade C. Same as Pete Prisco.

DarrylS

Not sure that I have ever seen a pundit say "I was wrong", just not part of their venacular.... even if they are wrong, they will qualify it somehow.

The jury is out on Wilson, but give the kid a chance... great story and these kids rapidly become my favorite players. The Patriots had to see something in him... there have been a lot more hits than misses since Pioli defected.

Grading drafts is nothing more than a guessing game, as no one really knows until about their 20th game.. then the marking period should end.

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State

Not as analogous as the groupies here would like us to believe.

Yes, both players were not Combine invitees.

But Vollmer was LT on the pass-happy Houston team with the measurables. He came from Germany as a rugby player. Very non-traditional.

Tavon Wilson played in one of the most visible conferences in the country. He was a high school player here in the states. Well, DC, but you get the picture.

And he still wasn't an invite to anything other than his team's pro day workout and various personal workouts.

Vollmer was a find. Wilson may be a diamond in the rough. But I think he'll just be the rough.

patsfaninpittsburgh

Yup

....and in 1941, Ted Williams sucked because he failed to hit safely 6 out of 10 at bats.

Illegal Contact.....poster child for when patsfans.com lets in the blind squirrel who thinks the sun came up because he went looking for a nut....and stepped in it.

The only to avoid a bust is to never draft
If you don't get invited to the combine, you can't "shoot up the board".
Why wasn't Vollmer invited to the combine?

Per the ESPN interview, it appears this kid was targeted for a specific reason.

If that's what the braintrust targeted, it's "successful".

Patriot 37

Exactly what I was thinking. Volmer and Mankins were reaches and Butler and Jackson were steals. You won't know for 3 years anyway.

convertedpatsfan

BB is pretty obsessed with value so it seems like a strange pick, but we don't know the whole story. There could have been interest from another team.

It was the same reaction when we drafted Vollmer. No one knew him but several teams had him high on their boards, including Baltimore (though they didn't pursue him after drafting Oher in the first). Others had him as a UDFA.

It was the same deal when the Raiders drafted Mike Mitchell in the second round and the draft gurus were all talking about how they could have waited a few roundss, until news came out that Chicago was targeting him two picks later, leading to Mayock apologizing to the Raiders.

Mayock mentioned that while most teams had Mitchell as a UDFA, another had him as a 3rd-rounder as well, so value is incredibly subjective especially when you factor in systems.

Bottom line is if you want the kid, and you know others value him similarly despite what the draft gurus may think, and you think he's worth more than the others available, it's not a reach.

Vollmer turned out to be great. Mitchell not so much. But the decision making behind both was sound despite what the talking heads thought at the time. I'm not saying he's perfect, but I'll trust BB's judgment over Curran and Kiper any day of the week.