PatsWickedPissah

I refer folks here to the camp observations of the Dookfish over in the camp forum. In my view this is a mainstream forum issue. The DF explains why he thinks BB went after Lamont Jordan and has some somewhat unsettling observations about a couple young players.

DookFish camp observations

P.S. Be warned. The Dookfish doesn't do paragraphs.

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Box_O_Rocks

I love it when football talk gets dirty!

The one knock on Lamont (in camp reports to date) has been his pass blocking/blitz pick-up, but I like the picture Dook's observations paint for another receiver working into the mix - this time from the backfield. Dook's two RB set with Faulk and Jordan certainly works with that approach, you have the option of keeping a TE in to block or Faulk. You could also work in two RB sets with Maroney and Morris, either of whom could stay in to block allowing the TE to release - and you could have some fun in the running game too.

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patsox23

annoying that there's no paragraphs (especially given how EASY it is to make them), but pretty interesting take. Clearly a CJ basher with a lot of declarative statements to the point of suggesting he has no shot to ever be good in the NFL, and I think Maroney is likely to catch more than 20 passes this year. He may round off his cuts, and Jordan/Faulk are clearly superior to LoMar in terms of pass-catching, but what I saw of him as a RECEIVER last year was a WEAPON, and I hope to see them take advantage of that even more this season.

PatsWickedPissah

It's not bashing to state your conclusions from limited yet carefull observations. It's considered opinion, backed by personal carefull observation. I did not see any prognostications about NFL careers.

As to LoMo catching passes, the piscine one notes that his routes will be "of the swing and screen variety" which certainly matches how BB used him last year. The DookFish provides his insight as to why that is so.

For those of you attending camp, consider yourselves blessed if you get to see firsthand the RB blocking the LB one on one drills and the TE/RB vs LB pass catching drills cited in this thread. Very revealing. I saw the last drill and agree with the observations posted. I'd add that none of the LBs with the possible exception of a converted FA SS could seem to cover well. Watson & Pollard were the TEs who created the most space, especially Watson. It's not fair to ask a LB to cover Watson.

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Metaphors

Agree and said so in that thread. People don't exit the womb with separation skills (wow, that is a weird statement!). There are lots of lead backs that don't run downfield routes. Doesn't mean Maroney can't do it, just that he isn't asked to do it. No great surprise that aspect of his game is unrefined. CJack is almost certainly getting direction from coaches and fellow receivers on getting open. To say he is incapable of applying these skills is a bit much. If he doesn't, that says more about his dedication than any physical liability.

Brownfan80

Bummer news about Chad Jackson, I really hoped he'd catch on this season.

Box_O_Rocks

A significant challenge and one reason I've been happy to read about Spann taking S reps (sometimes with the 1's) - Watson isn't the only TE in this league who creates problems for linebackers.

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PatsWickedPissah

But it still leaves the position of strong run blocking/pass protection TE unfilled. No roster is perfect.

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Box_O_Rocks

Yes, an area I have been unhappy with too. Thomas appeared to do well blocking as a rookie, I hope he gets back to practice soon so we can monitor his progress. For now, Spach and Stupar seem to be the best prospects for blocking TE. Spach was okay as a blocker at the end of last season, I could see him sticking as a blocker.

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PatsWickedPissah

Problem is, Spach can't stick if Pollard sticks. I think that Thomas' injury is not foot related and he returns next week. If not, and he's "made of glass" then all bets are off.

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