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Old 02-09-2012, 06:28 PM   #31
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I guess that I am in the minority but perhaps the reason that the Patriots are "so hesitant to get a deep threat" is because there are several other much higher priorities.
We have one legit WR and it happens to be a slot receiver. It's a HUGE hole/weakness on the team. Our passing game is TE/Welker... We need legit targets outside the numbers. We've all seen what happens when Brady starts locking in on someone and it doesn't help when the entire defense is trying to defend that same area...

I think we need to get Lloyd/Colston and then get another starting-caliber wideout through the draft/FA, preferably one with some size and at least a little speed. Is it really too much to ask to have athletic and sizeable wideouts? I'll never understand why we got rid of Gaffney, he's more than worth $2.4 million.
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:32 PM   #32
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You said it yourself--"most in need of improvement". Branch and Edelman are the worst duo in the league, by a wide measure. And, on top of that, there's no depth behind them. This is arguably (definitely) worse than the situation in 2006, when BB blew up the receiving core. There is no unit on the defensive side that is as abysmal as our WR group. If you watch the game and not listen to the mediots, you would see that the Patriots have middle of the road or better talent in each unit on D. Our offense scored 3 points in the first 29 minutes of the Super Bowl, and 0 in the last 26 minutes. Sounds like a priority.
We agree to disagree. I'm looking at the full body of work, not one or two games. I'll go with the larger sample size myself.

I do watch (and then rewatch) every Pats game every week, as well as that of their upcoming opponent, in addition to a game in each time slot every week that the Pats are not playing. I think that if you watched as many NFL games not involving the Pats as I do you would perhaps realize what an over-reactionary statement "worst duo in the league" is.

I'm also not sure why you keep referring to Branch and Edelman when one is a starter and the other is a backup. When comparing to other positions - if you've taken the time to compare to other positions - are you also comparing the last starter and backup when assessing which position needs an upgrade the most? If you're going to compare to other teams then in essence you should really be comparing Branch, Welker and Hernandez - regardless of the titles to which they are assigned. Those are your starters; Edelman is not a starter.

I'm not out to try to change your opinion - which obviously is not going to happen. I just find it odd that the vast majority are so singularly focused on improving this one position - and almost nobody is talking about improving the defense.

Again, I am not saying that WR is an area that couldn't use an upgrade; of course it could stand improvement! I just believe that there are other areas that are more in need of an upgrade; hence that makes those other areas a priority.

The reality is that due to the salary cap it is impossible to develop a team with all-pros at every position. Adding a high-priced wide receiver means you have less funds to allocate to another position. I would prefer to improve the defense first, before focusing on improving the offense.
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Again, I am not saying that WR is an area that couldn't use an upgrade; of course it could stand improvement! I just believe that there are other areas that are more in need of an upgrade; hence that makes those other areas a priority.

The reality is that due to the salary cap it is impossible to develop a team with all-pros at every position. Adding a high-priced wide receiver means you have less funds to allocate to another position. I would prefer to improve the defense first, before focusing on improving the offense.
Quality wide receivers are available in this unrestricted free agent period. Quality 3-4 outside linebackers, such as a LaMarr Woodley, are not available in this unrestricted free agent period.
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The reason the Pats struggled to beat teams like the Steelers and Giants is because they had no one to consistently beat man coverage on the outside. Even in the SB they needed so many long drives because no one could dominate outside the numbers for a big play.
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When people think deep threat, they think of some random receiver who runs a 4.3. They don't realize that to get on the field at all, they also have to be able to run routes. Finding someone fast who can also run the routes is the problem.
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When people think deep threat, they think of some random receiver who runs a 4.3. They don't realize that to get on the field at all, they also have to be able to run routes. Finding someone fast who can also run the routes is the problem.
Not Brandon Lloyd, that is if you believe Josh McDaniels.
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When people think deep threat, they think of some random receiver who runs a 4.3. They don't realize that to get on the field at all, they also have to be able to run routes. Finding someone fast who can also run the routes is the problem.
True.

A complete receiver isn't neccessarily a fast receiver. Jerry Rice 4.6, Terrell Owens 4.5, Reggie Wayne 4.5, Larry Fitzgerald 4.5, Brandon Lloyd 4.6....All of these wideouts can run the entire route tree (9 routes).

Because thats on film the defender has to play the field when defending him, which allows for double moves and indecision by the cornerback.

Second to that I would say size (6'0 or better) and strength to fight off the jam are more important than straight line speed.
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True.

A complete receiver isn't neccessarily a fast receiver. Jerry Rice 4.6, Terrell Owens 4.5, Reggie Wayne 4.5, Larry Fitzgerald 4.5, Brandon Lloyd 4.6....All of these wideouts can run the entire route tree (9 routes).

Because thats on film the defender has to play the field when defending him, which allows for double moves and indecision by the cornerback.

Second to that I would say size (6'0 or better) and strength to fight off the jam are more important than straight line speed.
Deep threat is an over used term in the NFL. You can count on one hand "true" Deep threats. You don't need one. Just a wideout out who can beat man coverage on 90% of the corners in the league. That again is an elite WR but not necessarily a deep threat. You can probably count on one hand those guys too.

You had the 2nd best WR of alltime/Deep Threat in the history of the game. Those guys dont grow on trees. The man single-handely reinvented the bomb in the NFL & everybody thinks now you have to get one. It doesn't work like that.
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they couldn't win a superbowl with randy moss, but they've won plenty of games without him.

it's not that I don't want some of these star receivers, I'm sure every team does, but I don't think we sink or swim on signing colston, or whoever.
moss was a great deal for us because he didn't cost much in trade or contract --- a lot of the names people throw out are not similar situations.

just ask the jets if we should sign a high profile fa wr for big money.

you just don't know if these fa receivers would be the same player in the pats offense, and it's a lot of money to gamble on a colston, v jax, or whoever, whereas welker has already proven he's on the same page as brady.
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they couldn't win a superbowl with randy moss, but they've won plenty of games without him.

it's not that I don't want some of these star receivers, I'm sure every team does, but I don't think we sink or swim on signing colston, or whoever.
moss was a great deal for us because he didn't cost much in trade or contract --- a lot of the names people throw out are not similar situations.

just ask the jets if we should sign a high profile fa wr for big money.

you just don't know if these fa receivers would be the same player in the pats offense, and it's a lot of money to gamble on a colston, v jax, or whoever, whereas welker has already proven he's on the same page as brady.
How many Super Bowls have they won without Moss since 2005?
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