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Re: Greatest Pats Team Ever? My whatifsports.com Pats tournament
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Re: Greatest Pats Team Ever? My whatifsports.com Pats tournament
2004 >>>> all, stats or no stats
With each year that passes by and we see this team fail in the clutch, geting punched in the mouth by a 9-7/10-6 team or outphysicalled for a jump ball by some scrub backup, I appreciate that 2004 team more and more. They just annihilated 2 fantastic teams in the Colts and Steelers then beat the Eagles in our least stressful SB.
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2004 >>>> all, stats or no stats
With each year that passes by and we see this team fail in the clutch, geting punched in the mouth by a 9-7/10-6 team or outphysicalled for a jump ball by some scrub backup, I appreciate that 2004 team more and more. They just annihilated 2 fantastic teams in the Colts and Steelers then beat the Eagles in our least stressful SB.
Yep. These reasons and more are why they're the #1 seed in my little tournament. I still expect the 2007 team to win it though. Their stats were just ridiculous.
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Ya, it shouldn't be a shocker that the 2001 Patriots were eliminated. Of the pats 20 Super Bowl winners, this team may have been the one with the least talent. Sure, they had a lot heart, but they were certainly lacking star power. Remember, Brady was not even "BRADY" at this point. He was a screen passer and game manager. As Patriots fans I don't think we should take offense to the 2001 Patriots being the worst Super Bowl champs in the past 20 years, because in order to qualify for this argument you have to WIN THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL! Which is exactly what they did.
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Re: Greatest Pats Team Ever? My whatifsports.com Pats tournament
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Game 3: #11 1978 Pats at #6 1976 Pats
'78 Pats: 27
'76 Pats: 15
Continuing the theme of "upsets", the 1978 Patriots beat the 1976 Patriots 27-15 in a game that featured a lots of rushing, a punt return for a TD, and a safety.
The '76 Patriots exploded on the ground for 212 rushes on 37 carries (5.7 ypc), but couldn't do much in the air, as Steve Grogan (78) was just 10-21 for a mere 127 yards, 1 td, and 2 costly interceptions.
The '78 Patriots also ran well (36-155), and their Steve Grogan fared better in the air, going 10-19 for 167 yards and a touchdown.
After a scoreless first quarter, the '78 Pats struck first, with a long scoring drive culminating in a 36 yard field goal. On the drive, Grogan hit his tight ends for two big gains - one to Don Hasselbeck for 16 and the other to Russ Francis for 26.
After a punt by the '76 Pats, the '78 Pats once again went down the field for a score. Grogan hit Francis for 14 and Stanley Morgan for 15, leading to a Sam Cunningham 2-yard TD run.
On the ensuing possession, the '78 Pats forced a punt, and, after receiving it on the 21, the '78 Pats returned it 79 yards for a TD to make the score 17-0. The rout was on.
Jon Smith made it 17-3 late in the 2nd quarter after he hit a 38 yard FG.
In the 3rd quarter a strange sequence led to a safety for the '76 Patriots. The '76 Pats moved the ball downfield from their own 25, mixing in runs by Sam Cunningham and passes by Grogan. Facing a 3rd and 3 from the '78 Pats' 8 yard line, Grogan's pass was intercepted by Steve Nelson, who was tackled at the 2 yard line.
One play later, Andy Johnson (no not Patsfans' Andy Johnson...at least, I don't think they're the same guy) was drilled in the backfield for a safety, making the score 17-5.
The '76 Pats would hold on the next possession, and then took the ensuing punt and drove the ball downfield again, setting up John Smith's 38 yard FG to cut the lead to 17-8.
They had a chance to cut the lead further at the start of the 4th quarter, facing 3rd and 3 from their own 40, but Johnson was stopped inches short of the first down. They went for it on 4th and inches, but Grogan was sacked by Dick Conn to turn the ball over to the '78 squad.
The '78 Pats took over at the 37 of the '76 Pats. Andy Johnson (78) rumbled for 18 yards to set up a 37 yard field goal to make it 20-8.
The '76 Pats got the ball back and picked up two first downs - one on a Grogan 12 yard scramble and the other on a 9-yard Cunningham run. But then, on 1st and 10 from the 45 of the '78 Pats, Grogan was intercepted by Mike Haynes. From there the '78 Pats marched on an 11-play, 67 yard drive, capped by a 9-yard TD pass to Russ Francis on 3rd down, with just 1:55 to go in the game.
The '76 Pats cut the lead to 27-15 after moving down the field quickly, scoring on a Grogan-to-Johnson 14-yard pass, but it wasn't enough as the '78 Pats held on for the win.
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Game 6: #12 1996 Pats at #4 2004 Pats
'96 Pats: 16
'04 Pats: 21
The #1 seeded 2004 Patriots beat the 1996 Patriots 21-16 in the quarterfinals of the all-time Patriots team tournament. It was a very evenly played game as both the score and stat sheet suggest.
The '96 Pats got off to a good start, outscoring the '04 Pats 13-0 in the game's first 20 minutes. They received the opening kickoff and drove 66 yards in just four plays to score a TD. On the drive, Curtis Martin had a 24-yard run and Drew Bledsoe hit Shawn Jefferson for a 39-yard TD to give the '96 Pats a 7-0 lead.
That lead grew to ten after the teams exchanged punts. Dave Meggett and Curtis Martin keyed a short scoring drive, both ripping off 11-yard runs, and Adam Vinatieri kicked a 42-yard FG to cap the drive.
Vinatieri added a 35-yard FG with 11:30 to go in the 2nd quarter, giving the '96 Pats a 13-0 lead. They thwarted a good '04 Pats drive when Corey Dillon fumbled on the '96 Pats' 8 yard line. After an exchange of punts, the '04 Pats struck as Tom Brady threw a long touchdown pass of 46 yards to David Patten, drawing the '04 Pats to within 13-7.
The '04 Pats had a chance to score late in the half, but with 0:15 left on the clock, facing 3rd and 3 from the '96 Pats' 33, Brady was sacked by Willie McGinest, ending the scoring threat.
Midway through the third quarter, the '04 Pats took the lead on a 59-yard scoring drive, highlighted by Corey Dillon's running (4 rushes for 24 yards) and Tom Brady's passing to Kevin Faulk. Dillon capped the drive with a 19-yard TD run to give the '04 Pats the lead.
The '96 Pats retook the lead early in the 4th quarter, capping a 10-play, 56-yard drive. Vinatieri nailed a 35-yard FG to put the '96 Pats up 16-14.
But the '04 Pats made enough big plays the rest of the way to win the game. Brady hit David Givens for 15 yards on 3rd and 4, and then he hit Deion Branch for 25 yards on 3rd and 15, setting up a 5-yard TD pass from Brady to Branch to put the '04 Pats up 21-16.
They then allowed the '96 Pats to drive down the field all the way to the '04 Pats' 19-yard line. But the defense held as Willie McGinest ('04 version) sacked Bledsoe and then batted a pass down on 4th and 13 with just 2:07 left. From there, the '04 Pats ran out the clock, keyed by a crucial facemask penalty by the '96 Pats.
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Game 6: #12 1996 Pats at #4 2004 Pats
'96 Pats: 16
'04 Pats: 21
The '04 Pats had a chance to score late in the half, but with 0:15 left on the clock, facing 3rd and 3 from the '96 Pats' 33, Brady was sacked by Willie McGinest, ending the scoring threat.
They then allowed the '96 Pats to drive down the field all the way to the '04 Pats' 19-yard line. But the defense held as Willie McGinest ('04 version) sacked Bledsoe and then batted a pass down on 4th and 13 with just 2:07 left. From there, the '04 Pats ran out the clock, keyed by a crucial facemask penalty by the '96 Pats.
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Game 7: #11 1978 Pats at #3 2003 Pats
'78 Pats: 10
'03 Pats: 6
The surprising 1978 Patriots won a defensive slugfest against the 2003 Patriots, 10-6, in the quarterfinals of the all-time Patriots tournament. Neither team could muster much offense, as both defenses played hard-hitting, shutdown ball.
The '78 Pats won the battle of field position early on, and that led to the first score of the game. After starting their first drive on their own 22, the '78 Pats moved the ball efficiently down to the '03 Pats' 45. Andy Johnson had 11 yards rushing and 11 yards receiving on the drive. They were forced to punt and pinned the '03 Pats back on their 13. After a 3-and-out, the '03 Pats punted, but a good punt return put the ball at the '03 Pats' 42-yard line.
Johnson ran for one yard and then ripped off an 18-yard run, putting the ball at the 23. The very next play, Horace Ivory swept around left end, following the blocking of hall-of-famer John Hannah, racing 23 yards for the score.
The '03 Pats countered with a solid drive of their own, but the drive stalled at the '78 Pats' 32-yard line, and Adam Vinatieri's 49-yard field goal missed.
Neither team could get much of anything going in the second quarter. The '78 Pats had the best scoring opportunity, but a 45-yard FG attempt sailed wide. Finally, the 2003 Patriots put together a scoring drive. Taking over at their 35 following the missed FG, they moved downfield, the key play being a 26-yard run by Kevin Faulk. They had 1st and goal at the 10, but Tom Brady couldn't connect with either Deion Branch or Larry Centers, and they had to settle for Vinatieri's 27-yard FG to make it 7-3 with just 1:31 remaining in the half.
On the ensuing possession, however, Steve Grogan heated up. He hit Harold Jackson for gains of 14 and 30, setting up a 38-yard FG by David Posey with just 30 seconds remaining in the half to make it 10-3.
The half had one more big moment, however. With just 7 seconds left and the ball at their own 40, the '03 Patriots sent Deion Branch deep and Brady hit him for 58 yards, but he was tackled at the 2-yard line as time expired.
There was no scoring in the 3rd quarter. The '78 Pats had two good scoring opportunities, but Posey missed from 40 and 37 yards out, keeping the score at 10-3. The '03 Pats had a good drive in the 4th quarter, getting the ball down to the '78 Pats' 14 yard line for a first down. But they lost 2 yards on the next 3 plays - the key being a Tim Fox 5-yard sack of Brady - and were forced to settle for a 33-yard Vinatieri field goal, cutting the lead to 10-6.
After forcing a punt with 2:01 remaining, the '03 Pats had one last opportunity. The drive started on their own 8 yard line and, after another sack of Brady, he hit Faulk and Daniel Graham for 17 total yards, giving them a first down on the 22. They picked up another first down on a Brady-to-Branch connection, and ended up facing a 3rd and 4 from their 38. Brady overthrew David Givens bringing up 4th down. The '78 Patriots blitzed two men and forced Brady to scramble, but he only got one yard before being pushed out of bounds, giving the ball back to the '78 Pats, who proceeded to run out the clock for the win.
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Game 8: #10 2010 Pats at #2 2007 Pats
'10 Pats: 27
'07 Pats: 45
The 2007 Patriots showed why they are one of the favorites to win the all-time Patriots tournament as they demolished the 14-2 2010 Patriots 45-27 in the final game of the quarterfinal round. The '07 Pats racked up 482 yards of total offense and held a 24-13 advantage in first downs.
The game featured lots of yards and scoring. The 2007 Patriots got off to a 6-0 start on two Stephen Gostowski field goals of 36 and 49 yards. They extended the lead in the 2nd quarter on a 4-yard touchdown pass from Tom Brady to Wes Welker. On that drive, Brady had 3 key plays: a 23-yard pass to Donte Stallworth, an 18-yard pass to Randy Moss, and the 4-yarder to Welker.
On the very next possession, Danny Woodhead cut the lead to 13-7 when he ripped off a 57-yard TD run on 3rd-and-1.
The '07 Pats came right back, however, starting at their own 23 yard line. Brady hit Ben Watson for 10 on 3rd-and-8, then connected with Welker for 14 and again for 15. On 2nd-and-9 from the '10 Pats' 23, Brady found Jabar Gaffney for 20, putting the ball at the 3-yard line. On 2nd and goal, Brady found Watson in the corner of the end zone for a 20-7 lead.
The '10 Pats took the next drive right down the field as Brady found Deion Branch for 14 yards and Wes Welker for 14 more before Benjarvus Green-Ellis ripped off a 44-yard run off left tackle. On 1st-and-goal from the 5, Brady found Branch for the TD to make it 20-14.
The teams traded 3rd quarter touchdowns. The '07 Pats struck first in the quarter, on a 3-yard Brady-to-Stallworth pass, which was set up by a beautiful 25-yard screen pass from Brady to Laurence Maroney.
The '10 Pats cut the lead back to 6, however, thanks to an electrifying 94-yard kickoff return all the way to the '07 Pats' one-yard line. From there, Green-Ellis punched it in to make it 27-21.
But the '07 Pats showed why they are a heavy favorite. On 2nd and 3 from their own 14, with 13:24 to go in the game, Brady hit a streaking Randy Moss for an 86-yard TD score. The successful 2-point conversion (Sammy Morris run) made it 35-21. After forcing a punt by the '10 Patriots, the '07 Pats returned the punt 89 yards for another touchdown to make it 42-21.
The '10 Pats tried to hang in there, and they successfully moved downfield on their next possession, which culminated in a 24-yard TD run by Danny Woodhead. The PAT was no good, making the score 42-27.
A 16-yard pass from Brady to Welker, followed by a 29-yard pass to Watson moved the ball quickly downfield again for the '07 Pats. The drive ended in a 25-yard Gostowski field goal that made it 45-27 with just 1:56 remaining in the game, and that would be the final score.
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