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Old 02-03-2012, 02:16 PM   #1
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The Giants offense is a modification of the Oilers run and shoot from the early 1990’s which features the “posse” (4 WR/1 RB) to accommodate their three-head monster at WR (Cruz-Manningham-Nicks) and is basically a read and react off the defense, and instead of running one route, you have what is called a “decision tree” which is basically, “get open,” so it’s more of a concept/philosophy than a system (think Phil Jackson’s triangle offense). This explains why our young defensive backs have a really hard time with it. It basically is an offense that simply continues until someone gets open, so it’s full of double and triple-moves, and pretty much is fatal to inexperienced, undisciplined DBs (like ours), who might tend to let off the gas after a basic route has been run (because they assume the read is dead) or they don’t realize this kind of offense doesn’t need any time or route to develop, so you have to pay attention all the time (right Guyton?). Now two knocks against this offense is that one, it is not a clock burner (but works pretty good when you have very little time on the clock), and two, it got killed by the zone blitz. It’s an up and down system that’s great when it’s working, but when it’s not working, it’s terrible. It basically gave rise to that infamous punch by the frustrated Oilers DC, none other than Buddy Ryan, who loved to call this offense the “run and duck” (when the zone blitz got the QB). Fun fact: The guy he punched? The OC of the Oilers, Kevin Gilbride. Who is the current OC of the Giants? Kevin Gilbride.

So obviously, the weight of shutting down this offense really rests on the backfield, and not really with the guys up front. I think that we will open in the 4-3 nickel with a really reduced line, with the goal of not so much blowing up the pocket as sealing the edge for two reasons: Eli makes plays when he’s able to break out of the pocket, and so does Bradshaw. Bradshaw is pretty good at running on the outside, but his YPC is awful when running between the tackles. So if we contain both of them inside, their rate of success really drops. That is killing two birds with one stone.

With the nickel. I think the key to defeating the modified Oilers run-n-shoot is to disguise coverage as much as we can. Show man and go zone post-snap, such as shadowing any Giants pre-snap motion, to sell Eli and the receivers (they have to read as much as Eli does) on the man coverage, but we are simply switching zone assignments. Earlier this season, that kind of complicity would have been impossible, but at this point I think we are really up to it. In the Ravens game, we went from a pre-snap 3-4 to a post-snap 4-3 pretty seamlessly so I can only think that can be very encouraging. I think that while we’ll let Wilfork run amok and wreak havoc on the line, we’re going to use this as a feint and disguise our real intention which is to place priority on sealing the pocket. In this regard, the responsibility will be pretty much on the backfield. I would not be surprised to see McCourty start out playing a lot of safety, and only switch if one of the receivers get hot. They must be able to read Eli, especially his tendency to look at his first read right before the snap. The integral task is to keep Manningham and Nicks in front of them, and limit Cruz’s YAC ability.

And as for the offense, one thing I did was to take another look at the 17 point explosion in the 4th quarter of the Nov. 6 game to try to see if I could figure out what the elements were that led to that kind of success.

The first thing I saw was that Brady was getting rid of the ball a lot faster- it may be that his arm had warmed up sufficiently to overcome whatever injury he was experiencing at the time. The second thing I saw was that our offense was much more horizontal, forcing the Giants to play horizontal defense. We had a few misdirection plays, plenty of PA’s and went to the spread in the hurry up. On the first drive, we did a double-reversal, then froze them on a PA out of the I formation and that set the tone for the rest of the drive. Unfortunately, what killed this drive was a bad route run by Ocho which forced Brady to overthrow him (it looks like a bad throw, but is clearly an intentional overthrow. Ocho erroneously ran a flag where he should have known it was a go route out of the rollout). FWIW, Ocho also blew a play earlier on this drive. It was the right route, but the timing was just not there. On the second drive, we went to the spread, in the hurry up, and there was always one or two receivers on or outside the numbers.

This makes me think first, that the Giants D are quite formidable when they know what is coming. With their athleticism, speed, and size, they can crush the point of attack, and even more so if they are allowed to play vertical. But when they don’t know what is coming, or if they are forced to play horizontal, they can be rendered powerless.

Does that mean we’ll come out with stretch plays off the bat? I doubt it- I think it’ll be an ace that we’ll keep up our sleeve until the right moment. We don’t want to keep throwing horizontal play after play at them until they start to develop a feel for defending it.

But one thing I think we’ll see right off the bat is a lot of PA out of the ace (2 TE/ 2 WR/1 RB), especially the power O out of the gun in the spread (WS guard pull).

While the PA doesn’t really fool them, it does freeze them and force them into a read and react which plays against their strengths.

I’m pretty sure that the Giants will stick to their 3 safety package (Grant in backer) and dare us to run for the most part. The key is, as Bruschi points out, will BOB have the patience to stick with the run to wear down the front four if they make a point of sticking with this package?

Putting aside the X and O’s, and looking at BB and Brady. I have to mention that those are proud men, they’re keen competitors, and they’re not going to make the same mistakes again, and especially with BB, when he has seen an opponent enough times, he inevitably finds a way to defeat this opponent, and this will mark the 3rd time he has seen a team this season. This is the biggest game of the season, and the best players rise to the occasion. There’s no doubt we’ll see the vintage Brady, the Brady of old.

We’re going to win, and I don’t even think it will be close. I am a keen student of history and believe that there are peaks and valleys in career and in life, and I believe in opportunities for closure, for atonement. There are certain patterns throughout the course of history, especially in warfare, and this is one of them.

It’ll feel good to bring #4 home and let the Red Sox know: “Right back at ya, you’re at the bottom of the pile again.”

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Old 02-03-2012, 02:31 PM   #2
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Totally agree on sealing Eli in the pocket. Most of his big plays especially to Cruz come when this happens.

In regards to Gilbride maybe Rex is rooting for us given Buddy's hated of him and how he beat both Rex and Rob back to back earlier this year.
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Good post, and a fine substitute for the disappointing TV media. My expectations of the latter are low, but would it kill them to show a little balance/detachment?
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Something that's interesting is that the Giants seem to run a pretty vanilla offense, of at least that's what's been said. They have tons of athletic talent but it seems not a lot of brains behind it.

Mario Manningham scored a 6 on the Wonderlic. Hakeem Nicks scored a 12. These don't always translate to the NFL, as both players are very successful, but I wonder if their lack of quick thinking hinders the Giants. We're talking about an offense that should be in the 500 point club based on their talent but winds below 400 and is very inconsistent.

Eli Manning scored a 39, which makes him a genius in the true definition of the word.
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last two paragraphs gave me chills. beautiful stuff
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It is interesting thinking about the Parallels with 2007. In 07, we beat them in the preseason and the regular season.
This year, they beat us in the preseason and the regular season.
We have a record breaking pass catcher on our team. We have a player who has a foot injury.
It goes on and on, I am going to stop now.
Good job Patpyscho. I really want to see the opinion of a Giant fan on your post. According to them, all pats fans can't talk Xs and Os and that we are all idiots while they are not offering any evidence that they can also talk Xs and Os.
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I think you nailed it.

I believe that New England takes the lead and never relinquishes it, never takes it foot off the gas pedal and just keeps driving.

I believe we will see New England use the hurry-up for the majority of the time, and use it effectively.

I see New England being able to run often and effectively, and cycle our backs in and out to keep fresh legs toting the rock.

I see redemption for 85, and scores by both TE's.

On defense, I think that McCourty gets a pick.

I think that Big Vince has a monster game here, and that he, Ellis, and Nink get to Eli early & often.
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Part 1 of a 4-part article on the run and shoot.

Smart Football: A Simple Approach to the Run and Shoot - Part 1

This article may also provide some insight into the kinds of reads Ochocinco is struggling with.
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You said you think they will open in a nickel, I assume you meant if the NYG are in 3 WR.

Couple Questions what to do think the Pats will use against the 2WR 1TE 2RB set?

What do you think the nickel line up will be, no Deadrick, No Spikes ? Whose in the slot vs. Cruz?

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