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Old 12-14-2011, 09:37 PM   #1
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Its something I've been wondering for the past few years. For example:

1. Charlie Weiss leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competition as OC.

2. Romeo leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competitor as DC.

3. Josh leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competitor as OC.

Thats just off the top of my head, maybe there are others. But I don't get it, why wouldn't they want to come back here? They had their best years here considering they got their "promotion" because of what they accomplished here.

I would think BB knows how good they were here and would let them back in a heartbeat even at the expense of letting go our current OC/DC.

Is it Pride? They don't want to be in BB's shadow?

I just remember that one SB where BB/Charlie/Romeo were huddled in a group knowing it was their last game together and just wishing each other good fortune. I would think either or both would want to come back to the "good old days".

For the 'holier than thou' posters, this is where you say I'm stupid and don't know a thing about football.

I totally agree you.

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Its something I've been wondering for the past few years. For example:

1. Charlie Weiss leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competition as OC.

2. Romeo leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competitor as DC.

3. Josh leaves for HC job, gets fired and goes to our competitor as OC.

Thats just off the top of my head, maybe there are others. But I don't get it, why wouldn't they want to come back here? They had their best years here considering they got their "promotion" because of what they accomplished here.

I would think BB knows how good they were here and would let them back in a heartbeat even at the expense of letting go our current OC/DC.

Is it Pride? They don't want to be in BB's shadow?

I just remember that one SB where BB/Charlie/Romeo were huddled in a group knowing it was their last game together and just wishing each other good fortune. I would think either or both would want to come back to the "old days".

For the 'holier than thou' posters, this is where you say I'm stupid and don't know a thing about football. I totally agree you.
(1). I don't think the Patriots budget for top-dollar assistant coaches.
(2). Weis, Crennel, and I assume McDaniel all want to be head coaches. Knowing that, it wouldn't serve either the Pats' or their own best interests to come back here.
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What are you supposed to do with BOB after hiring McDaniels back?
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(1). I don't think the Patriots budget for top-dollar assistant coaches.
(2). Weis, Crennel, and I assume McDaniel all want to be head coaches. Knowing that, it wouldn't serve either the Pats' or their own best interests to come back here.
That's interesting though. Bill came back to his old boss Bill Parcells. Not sure if Belichick, after he got fired from the Browns, wanted to become a HC again.
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(1). I don't think the Patriots budget for top-dollar assistant coaches.
(2). Weis, Crennel, and I assume McDaniel all want to be head coaches. Knowing that, it wouldn't serve either the Pats' or their own best interests to come back here.
Agreed on both.

Coaching is the only area I can think of where I judge the Krafts as being a bit stingy.
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Agreed on both.

Coaching is the only area I can think of where I judge the Krafts as being a bit stingy.
Not true. I believe I read a couple of years ago that BB was one of the highest paid coaches in the league.
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Not true. I believe I read a couple of years ago that BB was one of the highest paid coaches in the league.
He is still the highest paid NFL coach.
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That's interesting though. Bill came back to his old boss Bill Parcells. Not sure if Belichick, after he got fired from the Browns, wanted to become a HC again.
Sure he did. A deal was in place for him to succeed Parcells in New Jersey, which he broke to come here. BB either was biding his time for the best situation to come along, or no one else wanting him as head coach between 1996 and 2000. (I don't know if he interviewed for HC elsewhere during that span.) His official title under Parcells from '96 to '99 was assistant head coach/secondary coach.
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Maybe it's because they don't want to interrupt what they think is a current successful relationship with a current coach (although some would disagree) so that a past coach can come in, do well and be gone (again) in a year, leaving them back at square one without the coach they replaced in many cases. I don't know this as fact, but it seems that it would help the team maybe for a year or two but hurt the team in the mid and long range?
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More often than not, when an assistant or coordinator leave to be a head coach and then get fired, they do not go back to the team they left to become a head coach.

Even when Belichick followed Parcells after he was fired from the Browns, he didn't go back to the team he left to take the Browns' job. Belichick left the Giants for the Browns and then followed Parcells to the Pats and then the Jets

With guys like McDaniels, Weis, and Crennel most likely looking for head coaching jobs agin (Weis got one), it makes it tough to go back to a head coach who has been very successful without him and (in Weis' case) a QB who got far better after he left. If they come back, people could label them a product of Belichick and Brady and not really head coaching material.

Also, both Weis and Crennel followed Pioli. They have about the same loyalty to him as Belichick and can still make a name for themselves. Reportedly McDaniels was going to go to KC this past offseason, but reports were that Haley refused to take him on his staff (probably because of their very publicized spat after Haley got peissed that McDaniels "ran up the score" and the fact that the last Pioli guy in Weis didn't get along with Haley). This typically will happen more often than players going back in that they will follow someone else from the tree when move on themselves.
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