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Garbanza · 11-01-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PATSYLICIOUS

The rebuild started the offseason before the 2009 season, and after 3 offseasons it looks like the defense is where it was or maybe regressed since then. You definitely have to question the personnel moves. And the rebuild started with 2 firm blocks already in place Wilfork and Mayo so the overall process should not take more than 3 years. The rest outside those 2 has been a constant carousel, and this current product is not what you want to see. They had a couple pretty good outings, a couple average ones, and a couple pathetic ones. If they don't turn it around in a big way soon it's time to find a new GM or a new 'sidekick'.

It's all Ernie Adams' fault

***Rob0729*** · 11-01-2011, 03:46 PM

I think Felger is going way overboard with the onside kick being the same as 4th and 2 against the Colts in 2009. He basically thinks this will be the deathnail in the season because Belichick showed he had zero faith in the defense and they must be questioning themselves and pointing fingers.

Even after he learned that Gostkowski called an audible for that call, he said that even giving Ghost the option shows a lack of faith and should never have done it. Rather than softening his stance after finding out that Belichick called it to kick off and if there is an opening, Gostkowski had the option to kick an onside kick; he just stuck to his theory and just stretched his credibility on it. He even said it was worse than 4th and 2 because at least in 4th and 2 was put in Brady's hands.

The fact of the matter is a lot of teams probably would have kicked an onside kick in that position. You have over a 1 in 3 chance of recovering that kick in this situation and with the kick off moved up this year the risk is minimized a bit. Many coaches would take that chance.

I think if Gronk's non-TD was called a TD like it should or Belichick called for a challenge right away and won, it would have been a stupid move with over 3 minutes and three time outs. But with a little over 2 minutes and three time outs, you can kinda go either way. I probably would have kicked off and not given Gostkowski the option, but I don't buy that this is season ender like many people thought 4th and 2 turned out to be.

***Jackson 2*** · 11-01-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

I think Felger is going way overboard with the onside kick being the same as 4th and 2 against the Colts in 2009. He basically thinks this will be the deathnail in the season because Belichick showed he had zero faith in the defense and they must be questioning themselves and pointing fingers.

Even after he learned that Gostkowski called an audible for that call, he said that even giving Ghost the option shows a lack of faith and should never have done it. Rather than softening his stance after finding out that Belichick called it to kick off and if there is an opening, Gostkowski had the option to kick an onside kick; he just stuck to his theory and just stretched his credibility on it. He even said it was worse than 4th and 2 because at least in 4th and 2 was put in Brady's hands.

The fact of the matter is a lot of teams probably would have kicked an onside kick in that position. You have over a 1 in 3 chance of recovering that kick in this situation and with the kick off moved up this year the risk is minimized a bit. Many coaches would take that chance.

I think if Gronk's non-TD was called a TD like it should or Belichick called for a challenge right away and won, it would have been a stupid move with over 3 minutes and three time outs. But with a little over 2 minutes and three time outs, you can kinda go either way. I probably would have kicked off and not given Gostkowski the option, but I don't buy that this is season ender like many people thought 4th and 2 turned out to be.

When I was in college a course I took included a pretty comprehensive treatment of World War I. The Germans employed what was very likely the first example of toxic warfare via their use of a poisonous substance called "mustard gas." I vividly remember a classmate asking the professor, "What was the American troops' primary means of dealing mustard gas?" His reply was, "They were advised by their commanding officers to avoid contact with it at all costs." A wise person might follow the same advice when it comes to Felger.

slash83 · 11-01-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA

Hope that Roethlisberger,Wallace,Keisel,Miller,Woodley,Harri son,Polamalu are all on IR?

Or maybe the Steelers give us mercy and spot us 14 points?

That seems to be the only chances

Sad but true, sucks knowing the defense is pathetic and that it has little to no chance of improving enough to be serious contenders. Having Brady and Belichick is not enough anymore, team needs more talent at all 3 levels of the defense.

***IcyPatriot*** · 11-01-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Russyracuse

I don't plan on talking about the draft, but I was curious what everyone thought about this topic, and the Felger and Mazz show.

Thanks

Russ

Send a PM to FredFromDartmouth, he has a Felger and Mazz shrine at his house ....

Triumph · 11-01-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA

Hope that Roethlisberger,Wallace,Keisel,Miller,Woodley,Harri son,Polamalu are all on IR?

Or maybe the Steelers give us mercy and spot us 14 points?

That seems to be the only chances

I believe the Pats can play better than that.

For one, if you win the toss, so not defer to the 2nd half. Establish a running game. Run 20 times in a row and pound the crap out of the Steelers defense. Dont do what the Steelers are expecting the Pats to do.

ayatollah · 11-01-2011, 07:20 PM

Bill has been living on legend defensively for a while now. blame the players all you like. Matter of fact i watched some of what NE's defense used to look like last night against the chargers, wearing red and white. coincidence?
Bill is the greatest coach in my lifetime, no one else i'd rather have, but the GOAT needs some new coordinators jawing with him like he used to Parcells back in the day.
go pats

cmasspatsfan · 11-01-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Darolyn72 View Post
Robo,

I tied to be nice, but you're an ignorant fool. You have no facts except, "You're wrong, Bill is great!" Go put on your Bruschi shirt and leave us alone. The tide has turned. Patriot fans have had it with the fanboy excuse crowd on this website. Belichick has lost his fastball and if it wasn't for Tom Brady they would be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. The fact is 5% of Patriot still believe this team is a Super Bowl contender. You could take any issue and there is always a 5% holdout. That's all you are a 5 percenter.

And theres 5% that think we're doomed after every loss and never going to win another game.
Take a prozac and chill