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Old 10-31-2011, 12:36 PM   #21
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Really? Because Wes Welker says hello.

Wanna know why he was so open? Because nobody gave a damn he was open. Look back on that play welker was covered along with branch and gronk. No reason to have someone carry taylor price because 1. he rarely plays 2. if hes going to make a deep threat Troy is there to cover that.

Boom. Play over.
Actually your point #2 is flawed, Troy wasn't always there, epecially on the play when Price should've had a touchdown pass but instead had to come back on an underthrown pass from a rushed Brady. And, since no one gives a damn about him, all the more reasons to go to him (more than just once per game) until he shows that he cannot play.

Also Pats FANS need to take a deep breath and relax. It's only a regular season loss, their second, on the road, to a division leader. Although it was after a bye week, it's not the same type of bye week compared to past years thanks to the new CBA. And given how bad the Pats played, they STILL had a chance for the win in the final 5 minutes. Sometimes a loss can serve as better motiviation for improvement than a win (ie blowout win against the Jets).

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Old 10-31-2011, 12:38 PM   #22
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Actually your point #2 is flawed, Troy wasn't always there, epecially on the play when Price should've had a touchdown pass but instead had to come back on an underthrown pass from a rushed Brady. And, since no one gives a damn about him, all the more reasons to go to him (more than just once per game) until he shows that he cannot play.

Also Pats FANS need to take a deep breath and relax. It's only a regular season loss, their second, on the road, to a division leader. Although it was after a bye week, it's not the same type of bye week compared to past years thanks to the new CBA. And given how bad the Pats played, they STILL had a chance for the win in the final 5 minutes. Sometimes a loss can serve as better motiviation for improvement than a win (ie blowout win against the Jets).

So, in Bill I WILL ALWAYS trust.
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Old 10-31-2011, 01:37 PM   #23
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It's starting to hurt our offense. We simply have no one fast enough, tall enough, or skilled enough to consistently get open deep. Let's face it guys, this defense is awful. They are going to stay awful. Many years of wasted draft picks by Bill on the D have put on D in shambles. It's our offense that will keep us afloat. However, our Offense has been struggling lately. If we cannot get out offensive back to the jauggernaut it once was, we have no shot at the superbowl.

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They should have gotten Vincent Jackson, everyone was against it, but Chad isn't the best leader himself, nor are our draft picks so important. Also Chad and Ellis make a lot of money to wear jerseys, so money is not an excuse.

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It's starting to hurt our offense. We simply have no one fast enough, tall enough, or skilled enough to consistently get open deep.
Hard to get open deep when Brady doesn't have the time. We keep forcing these medium and long routes when he no time. Play small ball. I find O'brien to be a very mediocre play caller. We always seem to be late to make adjustments and seem unwilling to take chances early in a game. Then we play from behind with no urgency.
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Hard to get open deep when Brady doesn't have the time. We keep forcing these medium and long routes when he no time. Play small ball. I find O'brien to be a very mediocre play caller. We always seem to be late to make adjustments and seem unwilling to take chances early in a game. Then we play from behind with no urgency.
theres been plenty of times this season where Brady has all day and a half and still can't find someone. The fact that teams can pretty much come up an manhandle our receivers without having to worry about getting beat over the top is a serios probably. The long passing game hasn't been good since Randy left and it needs to be adressed yesterday but its not happening. There isn't a receiver on this team that will command double coverage down the field.
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They need man-beaters at WR.

Guys who can get off jams in press coverage, and create separation vs corners with good man to man skills. Not necessarily a deep threat.

Welker is not an outside WR. Branch is excellent at reading and finding seams in the zone, but cannot separate vs good man coverage. Ocho is a non factor. Price and Slater are not starting caliber.

That's why the Pats struggle against teams that play defense in the Rex/Rob Ryan mold. They play predominantly man coverage in the back end, even on blitzes. Brady picks apart zone defense and zone blitzes because him and his WR's are smart enough to read the defense and find the hole/seam. But when Brady's WR's can't separate vs man coverage, what can he do? It's out of his control. That's why he looks like he has happy feet back there. No one is open and he doesn't want to risk an INT so he keeps holding onto the ball.

Even Moss was not a good man beater, he was strictly a fly route/deep post/endzone jump ball type of guy because he had no interest in going over the middle and wasn't a crisp route runner.
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They've needed a player who could attack the defense on the middle-deep levels for some time now.
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Price has been given a chance to contribute in 2 regular season games that I know of. 1 was the Dolphin game last year where he caught at least one long pass for the TD. 1 was yesterday where he clearly beat his guy and Brady underthrew him.
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We need athletic playmakers on offense. The savy-veteran who runs good routes is a fantastic complement, but you can't have an offense based solely on that kind of player. The Patriots don't necessarily need a deep threat, but they could use young guys with above-average physical skills.

The Steelers have done exactly that. Neither Sanders nor Brown are very fast guys, but both can operate in that intermediate area of the field pretty well, and they are complemented by a smart, veteran, possession receiver in Ward, and a burner in Wallace. They completely revamped their offense in a very short period of time without spending high draft picks. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to do the same.
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