PATRIOT64

I think both Crennel and Pees have been good Defensive Coordinators in New England but there will always be a debate on which Coordinator was better for this team in this decade.

I think the defense has been pretty good through both DC in this decade in the regular season,but the difference lies in the playoffs where Crennel was at his best and the defense did exactly what they needed to where as Dean Pees did not have the success,especially in the big games...as of yet

Crennel's defense almost always did the right things at the right times resulting in SB Championships.

Overall do you still put a Crennel defense in New England better than a Pees run defensive group? - there may be an argument there considering the team went 18-0 last year before defeat.

I still think the loss of Crennel meant a possible loss of an additional Championship or two for the Patriots, but Pees is still decent IMO.

Forget Mangini - He does not count

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The question is - did Mangini help in making Crennel? Because the recent db coach who was let go (his name escapes me) certainly did not help in making Pees.

signbabybrady

Not that I think Pees has not done a good job but I don't think there is really any debate. The rings speak for themselves.

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richpats

There isn't even a debate here. Pees has a HUGE black mark with the '06 AFC title game and oh yeah, ZERO rings as DC. The same goes for any McDaniels/Weis debates (his black mark being SB42).

BionicPatriot

The stupidity in this thread is evident. Rings don't just speak for themselves, look more in depth. What defense were more loaded, Crennel's or Pees? Lets not bury someone so easily. I'd love to see Pees with Bruschi,Harrison,McGienst,Vrabel all in their prime too.

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BionicPatriot

McDaniels and Weis is like comparing a subaru and a Ferrari at this point. The fact that numb nuts couldn't do anything in the super bowl with THIS talent is inexcusable. Perfect point here: Look at the talent difference. Weis didn't have the Brady of today, didn't have a 2 headed running attack, didn't have Moss, Welker, etc.

Weis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McDaniels

Crennel > Pees

IMO.

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HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

Crennel had better players, especially at the LB and CB position.

BionicPatriot

Pees:

05 Vrabel, post stroke Bruschi, Beisel, Chad Brown, Colvin

DB Hobbs, Samuels, Starks, Scott, Eugene Wilson, Hawkins

06 Vrabel, post stroke Bruschi, Chad Brown, Colvin, Seau

DB hobbs, Samuels, Sanders, Harrison, Hawkins, Gay

07 Vrabel, Adalius, post stroke Bruschi, Colvin, Seau

DB Hobbs, Samuel, Sanders, Harrison, Merriweather, Gay

Crennel

01 Vrabel, Bruschi, Cox, McGinest, Johnson, Phifer

DB Otis Smith, Ty Law, Milloy, Jones

03 Vrabel, Bruschi, McGinest, Johnson, Phifer (Colvin was on IR from game 2, soo)

Law, Poole, Harrison, Wilson, Samuel

04 Vrabel, Bruschi, McGinest, Colvin, Johnson, Phifer

Gay, Erthwind More Land, Law (IRed after the 7th game I believe) Wilson Harrison, Gay, Brown


Outside of 04, He has Pees out matched in terms of talent. I say 04 because the Patriots had a make shift secondary, featuring Troy Brown in a lot of roles. So, what does this show us? Secondary talent means jack, you want front seven talent above ANYTHING. Again, Crennel had better defenses but he is an excellent coach bar none. I like Pees, I don't think he's that bad. I just don't think he's better then Crennel, but when BB is your coach, a DC isn't the difference in 3 trophies

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Deus Irae

Which linebacker or defensive lineman blowing up a Patriots' offensive lineman in the Super Bowl was the responsibility of Pees?

The Patriots' surrendered fewer points per game in the playoffs than it did in the regular season. Some people here really need to be forced to cheer for a bottom 5 team for a couple of seasons so they can be shown what bad coaching really is.

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richpats

Well, when an offense throws the ball 75% of the time (as the Pats did in SB42), the opposing D can just forget about defending the run and just go straight for the passer, making a great pass rush completely dominant.

Off-topic, I know and I'll make my point short and sweet - McDaniels just doesn't know how to work the running game into the offense when it is tested. The pass is his security blanket and typically it just turns into the Tom Brady show, which as we've seen, will take you far but not all the way.