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Old 02-22-2008, 10:56 AM   #1
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8 most overrated players

Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland: Too many INTs and poor performances

Dallas Clark, TE, Indianapolis: "second year in a row he posted a mediocre 6.4 yards per attempt"

Donald Driver, WR, Green Bay: average overall numbers and 4 GB recievers had more TDs.

Shaun Rogers, DT, Detroit: "his 4.4 YPA allowed on point-of-attack runs was quite disappointing"

Richard Seymour, DE, New England: "He allowed 4.2 YPA on POA runs and posted a mediocre 10.5 POA success percentage."

Jeremy Shockey, TE, N.Y. Giants: "Shockey's 6.8 YPA this past season was mediocre" plus he only had 1 big game.

Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE, Tennessee: Lots of coverage sacks and was a liability against the run.

Mike Vrabel, LB, New England: "Six of his sacks were of the coverage/scheme/run/garbage type, and he had only a single one-on-one sack in the last seven weeks of the regular season."

8 most underrated players

Bobby Engram, WR, Seattle: All his numbers were better than Drivers.

Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Indianapolis: "Gonzalez's 11.2 yards per attempt last season would be extremely impressive for a veteran wide receiver, but Gonzalez did it in his rookie campaign."

E.J. Henderson, LB, Minnesota: "Henderson's phenomenal 36.5 defeated block percentage shows he deserves a lot of credit for his abilities to stuff the run as well."

Anthony Henry, CB, Dallas: Metrics on par with Newmans.

Cory Redding, DT, Detroit: "Redding's 30 defeated run blocks and 32.3 defeated block percentage were both Pro Bowl-caliber numbers."

Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork, defensive linemen, New England: "[New Englands] 4.4 YPA [allowed] ranked tied for 26th in that department. However, Warren and Wilfork were certainly not part of the problem, their 3.5 and 3.7 YPAs on point-of-attack runs clearly states."

Roddy White, WR, Atlanta: Put up better numbers than Holt and Houshmandzadeh despite revolving door of QBs.
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agree for most part..Sey gets off hook a little since he came back from injury and hasnt played in a while but he certainly did better as season went on. Vrabel..some of us have admitted it, after Colvin went down, he was invisible.
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Colvin, come on back and take the discount.

We need ya here buddy.
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Vrabel invisible?? Didn't see that one..I agree he wasn't as strong a player later in the season, but FAR from invisible..
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Sometimes I swear Joyner just pulls numbers out of his ass.
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Vrabel invisible?? Didn't see that one..I agree he wasn't as strong a player later in the season, but FAR from invisible..
If ever there was a game that showed how simply looking at sack totals can be misleading, Vrabes against the Steelers would be it.
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If ever there was a game that showed how simply looking at sack totals can be misleading, Vrabes against the Steelers would be it.


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Vrabel invisible?? Didn't see that one..I agree he wasn't as strong a player later in the season, but FAR from invisible..
he really didnt do anything in playoffs..invisible compared to what he did beginning of year. lets just say a disappointing second half basically.
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BelichickFan had the stats. I think it was something like 9 sacks in the 11 games with Colvin, and 3 sacks in the 8 games without him.
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Sometimes I swear Joyner just pulls numbers out of his ass.
Check out football outsiders D-Line metrics, pretty much tell the same story I think as the ones he writes pertaining to stopping the run.
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Not much argument from me regarding the list.

If Colvin is here next season, and Gholston is taken at #7, then our defensive needs may be better-served by having Vrabel and AT play side-by-side, and switch positions depending on different situations. If Gholston is not taken with #7, and our ILB cupboard is replenished by Bruschi and/or Seau, and by FAs and/or draft picks, then by all means return the less-explosive Vrabel to OLB. I'm sure that'll make him happy.

$eymour needs to show us next season that he is not a player in permanent decline.
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