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Old 02-19-2008, 04:33 PM   #1
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Good points. Let's start by saying that I would be very surprised -- stunned, knowing his attention to all detail large and small -- if Belichick did not know of a very public memo sent from league senior vice president of football operations Ray Anderson to all general managers and coaches on Sept. 6, 2006. In the memo, Anderson wrote:

"Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

That memo was written 52 weeks before the Patriots illegally taped the Jets sidelines, and 53 weeks before Belichick said he didn't think he was breaking a rule. In addition, when this story broke, the league brought the media's attention to a section of the Game Operations Manual that said: "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game ... All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

It is very hard to believe somehow that these rules were not seen by the Patriots, the team and organization I believe to be the most intelligent in football
to quote king "its hard to believe he did not understand what BB was refering to as interpretation.
i wish if he had an email we could write to. he hides behind that form on the si pages.
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:38 PM   #2
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to quote king "its hard to believe he did not understand what BB was refering to as interpretation.
i wish if he had an email we could write to. he hides behind that form on the si pages.
I think King's interpretation is the correct one. Even Jon Kraft said it was. I can't see how it would be interpreted any other way. If you read Reiss' article, it's clear that Belichick is referring to the rule in the manual which is different than the one in this memo. That rule can be interpreted the Belichick way.

All King is saying is that the memo overrides the rule in the manual, and that Belichick should have been aware of the memo.

The thing is, the league on multiple occasions has caught teams violating the memo, and they didn't care. So I'm sure Belichick just deliberately ignored the memo. Either that or perhaps he really didn't see it.
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I think King's interpretation is the correct one. Even Jon Kraft said it was. I can't see how it would be interpreted any other way. If you read Reiss' article, it's clear that Belichick is referring to the rule in the manual which is different than the one in this memo. That rule can be interpreted the Belichick way.

All King is saying is that the memo overrides the rule in the manual, and that Belichick should have been aware of the memo.

The thing is, the league on multiple occasions has caught teams violating the memo, and they didn't care. So I'm sure Belichick just deliberately ignored the memo. Either that or perhaps he really didn't see it.
i thought BB's argument was the tape was not accesible to be used during the game which is what the memo refers to as well no ? its wordplay but thats BB's argument i think.
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I think King's interpretation is the correct one. Even Jon Kraft said it was. I can't see how it would be interpreted any other way. If you read Reiss' article, it's clear that Belichick is referring to the rule in the manual which is different than the one in this memo. That rule can be interpreted the Belichick way.

All King is saying is that the memo overrides the rule in the manual, and that Belichick should have been aware of the memo.

The thing is, the league on multiple occasions has caught teams violating the memo, and they didn't care. So I'm sure Belichick just deliberately ignored the memo. Either that or perhaps he really didn't see it.
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7. Now here's the rub: the NFL, apparently just before the season began, sent a memo from Executive Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson to the teams that "reminded" them that, “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.” Here's where all the overheated commentators get their "prohibition" idea, and conclude that Belichick violated a clear prohibition and thus is a cheater making up lame excuses about misinterpretation. Not so fast, please.

8. First, just what is the effect or significance of a memo from a league vice president? I can't find out, but I would imagine the NFL employs quite a few people who have the title of vice president. Does a memo from a league VP have the effect of law? Is it equivalent in significance to the NFL's "Game Operations Manual" quoted above? Can the NFL, through some memo from a VP, simply amend the Manual just like that? No committees, no notice, no deliberations: just a memo that adds words and gives the rule a particular meaning, and it's done? Can a memo create a new rule that is instantly binding on all teams?
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7. Now here's the rub: the NFL, apparently just before the season began, sent a memo from Executive Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson to the teams that "reminded" them that, “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.” Here's where all the overheated commentators get their "prohibition" idea, and conclude that Belichick violated a clear prohibition and thus is a cheater making up lame excuses about misinterpretation. Not so fast, please.

8. First, just what is the effect or significance of a memo from a league vice president? I can't find out, but I would imagine the NFL employs quite a few people who have the title of vice president. Does a memo from a league VP have the effect of law? Is it equivalent in significance to the NFL's "Game Operations Manual" quoted above? Can the NFL, through some memo from a VP, simply amend the Manual just like that? No committees, no notice, no deliberations: just a memo that adds words and gives the rule a particular meaning, and it's done? Can a memo create a new rule that is instantly binding on all teams?
send this to king if you'd like. Lets see if he responds.
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i thought BB's argument was the tape was not accesible to be used during the game which is what the memo refers to as well no ? its wordplay but thats BB's argument i think.
Read Reiss's article again. That rule refers to using the video to gain an advantage during the game.

The memo refers to using videotape during the game. Two completely different things.

Belichick cited the manual language in his defense to Reiss. The memo language is different.
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7. Now here's the rub: the NFL, apparently just before the season began, sent a memo from Executive Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson to the teams that "reminded" them that, “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.” Here's where all the overheated commentators get their "prohibition" idea, and conclude that Belichick violated a clear prohibition and thus is a cheater making up lame excuses about misinterpretation. Not so fast, please.

8. First, just what is the effect or significance of a memo from a league vice president? I can't find out, but I would imagine the NFL employs quite a few people who have the title of vice president. Does a memo from a league VP have the effect of law? Is it equivalent in significance to the NFL's "Game Operations Manual" quoted above? Can the NFL, through some memo from a VP, simply amend the Manual just like that? No committees, no notice, no deliberations: just a memo that adds words and gives the rule a particular meaning, and it's done? Can a memo create a new rule that is instantly binding on all teams?
Apparently yes. Goodell is the sole arbiter. He can do whatever the hell he wants.
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i thought BB's argument was the tape was not accesible to be used during the game which is what the memo refers to as well no ? its wordplay but thats BB's argument i think.
The rule prohibits videotaping on the sidelines DURING a game, end of story. BB could have never seen the tapes and still would have been breaking a rule.
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The rule prohibits videotaping on the sidelines DURING a game, end of story. BB could have never seen the tapes and still would have been breaking a rule.
Actually, that's not what the rule does.
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Memo: "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Manual: "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game ... All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

My "interpretation":

The Manual allows for videotaping if the locations is "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead". The Memo doesn't allow for videotaping of ANY type. Either way Belichick broke the rule by having a cameraman on the field.

Some are trying to stress the "during the game" language in reference to WATCHING the recorded video, it actually refers to RECORDING the video itself.
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