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Old 02-14-2008, 11:37 PM   #101
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First off it is not common knowledge that any other team taped signals so that as many of you have put it is speculation. Got any proof besides jimmy johnson saying it? If any other team had done it they would have been busted but they have not. And secondly if taping signals gives you no advantage whatsoever then why do it. I will tell you why because it does give you an advantage no one is going to go through all that for nothing. And if it was no big deal then why the heavy fines and draft pick taken away.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:15 AM   #102
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Did this help us in 2000? Did this help us in 2002? Did the team crumble in 2007 without a camera?

Hell, if we were taping the first SB against the Rams to use later in the game, we did a pretty bad job because we almost blew a 14-3 lead at halftime.

Nothing is tainted
Great points. This whole thing is bologna.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:24 AM   #103
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I liked the Pats before Bill Belicheck became coach, so why would I want to leave them now?
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Here is something to think about the no taping memo was sent out before the 2006 season correct? Ok follow me since that memo came out and obviously BB was taping he admitted it. And he would not do anything if he would not gain an advantage right we all agree he is no dummy. Then answer me this have the pats ever had an offseason superstar signing frenzy like 2006 i don't think so. This tells me he knew he couldn't steal signals anymore so he found another way to win by signing all these hired guns. Now im just speculating here but doesn't it seem a little odd that he went all phil jackson like after the no taping memo. I could be wrong but you do the math and take it how you want to.
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Here is something to think about the no taping memo was sent out before the 2006 season correct? Ok follow me since that memo came out and obviously BB was taping he admitted it. And he would not do anything if he would not gain an advantage right we all agree he is no dummy. Then answer me this have the pats ever had an offseason superstar signing frenzy like 2006 i don't think so. This tells me he knew he couldn't steal signals anymore so he found another way to win by signing all these hired guns. Now im just speculating here but doesn't it seem a little odd that he went all phil jackson like after the no taping memo. I could be wrong but you do the math and take it how you want to.
Are you from the planet Jibberish? *Hint* Try referring to a dictionary and/or thesaurus and maybe inserting a comma or two, this will help you when conversing with the inhabitants of this planet.
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Here is something to think about the no taping memo was sent out before the 2006 season correct? Ok follow me since that memo came out and obviously BB was taping he admitted it. And he would not do anything if he would not gain an advantage right we all agree he is no dummy. Then answer me this have the pats ever had an offseason superstar signing frenzy like 2006 i don't think so. This tells me he knew he couldn't steal signals anymore so he found another way to win by signing all these hired guns. Now im just speculating here but doesn't it seem a little odd that he went all phil jackson like after the no taping memo. I could be wrong but you do the math and take it how you want to.
If the integrity of the game is such a concern, then all coaches should be brought in and put under oath. Let's get them all on record.
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They're tainted in the eyes of those who want them to be tainted. They aren't to me.
Exactly.

Most people have already made up their minds about it without knowing the facts or having the slightest clue about the effect it had and just how widespread bending the rules is in sports. I don't know about y'all but it's been a while since I stopped taking the public opinion seriously at all.

To put things into perspective, anti-pats fans have been complaining since 2002 about a ruling that was called CORRECTLY on the field according to the NFL rulebook. There's simply no reasoning with some people, which is why I just choose to ignore these issues anymore. Just no reasoning whatsoever, so why waste your energy.
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First off it is not common knowledge that any other team taped signals so that as many of you have put it is speculation. Got any proof besides jimmy johnson saying it? If any other team had done it they would have been busted but they have not. And secondly if taping signals gives you no advantage whatsoever then why do it. I will tell you why because it does give you an advantage no one is going to go through all that for nothing. And if it was no big deal then why the heavy fines and draft pick taken away.
So Chuck, if BOTH teams steal each others signals during the course of a game, how does one team end up with an advantage over the other?

You're really not going to sit there and try to claim that the Patriots were the ONLY team stealing defensive signals, are you?

If the Colts or Jets or Giants prefer to use binoculars in the press box instead of a video camera to "spy", how does that make the info they obtain any less valuable?

Also, if the Patriots were the ONLY team that was using a camera, why did the memo go out to the entire league? Why didn't the NFL send the letter directly to the Patriots alone?
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Belichick's the one who gave you those superbowls in the first place, you ungrateful sack of crap.
why is it always that everywhere you go it seems like those most ignorant always have the most opinion on everything??
first find out wtf you're talking about, and until then shut yer yap.
in the meantime, if you don't like what people are saying about you go cry in momma's lap.
Way to go eom! Unfortunately, the Benedict Arnold-type Patriots fans are those who really care about the Patriots "Image". I guess they don't realize image means nothing and is comprised of nothing but opinion. but I get the feeling that some of these types feel that because they think the Patriots image has been hurt, there own image has been affected.

Kinda like those people who worry about having "Class". They just don't realize you can't have class if you go around trying to have class. I'm talking about phonies, image people and those who claim to have class. Those are the kinds of people we don't need or want as Patriot fans anyway.
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:50 AM   #110
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I guess they don't realize image means nothing and is comprised of nothing but opinion.
Yeah, that's why people wear sweats to job interviews and don't comb their hair before a first date- because image really means nothing.

BTW I'm not worried about the Pats image - I know it's tainted to anyone that doesn't support the Pats.
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