Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Rapistburger's team would have to win several rings more before he'd even loom in the conversation. He remains on the fringe of elite discussion in his era largely (battling no rings Rivers for the top of tier two) due to the performance of his teamates moreso than his own. Ben remains as much the product of being in the right place at the right time...all they ever lacked in the Cowher era was a functional QB, and while Ben has had his moments... those have been both functional and dysfunctional. He has one pro bowl nod and no all pros seven years into his career for a reason...He pales in comparison to 2-3 QB's concurrently residing in the AFC despite also playing for a perenial contender. I doubt he plays into his mid to late 30's because his physical style of play takes a toll. Particularly when combined with a lack of all consuming drive to get better at the little things.

Originally Posted by tests

yea, brady is actually quite even with manning when it comes to stats (The stats that matter).

Once brady gets his 4th, everyone will be talking about how MANNING had to content with the almighty brady..

Originally Posted by Off The Grid

I find it unfathomable that anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of this Game would put Manning in Brady's class, much less consider them nearly equals.

1 ~ Most people who vastly overrate Manning do so because of Stats. But if you actually LOOK at Stats, Brady has CRUSHED Manning since we finally gave him weapons on equal footing with Manning's, in 2007:

Originally Posted by Off The Grid

I find it unfathomable that anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of this Game would put Manning in Brady's class, much less consider them nearly equals.

1 ~ Most people who vastly overrate Manning do so because of Stats. But if you actually LOOK at Stats, Brady has CRUSHED Manning since we finally gave him weapons on equal footing with Manning's, in 2007:

Manning: 31 TDs + 15 INTs per year.
Brady: 38 TDs + 8 INTs per year.

* Manning plays about 14 games a season in the pleasure dome or other comfy places.

* Brady plays about 14 games a year in New England and other rough spots.

Are those two guys in the same CLASS???

THANK you.

2 ~ Championships. Brady is up, 3 to 0, unless you count the one that the refs stole from us, by dint of that phantom Pass Interference call on Hobbs that was so hideously blatant that the ref was actually required to pen a formal letter of apology to Hobbs. If you count THAT one, 2006, then it's FOUR to nothing, thank you very MUCH.

3 ~ PlayOff Record. Brady is Vince Lombardi. Manning is Marty Schottenheimer.

And if anybody's fact-challenged enough to suggest that our Defense's prowess in any way dilutes that dominance, here's a news flash: Since 2004, in terms of Points Allowed ~ the measure that COUNTS ~ the Colts have finished Top 8 4 out of 6 times, and Top 2 twice...Yet Manning led his team to defeat in the PlayOffs, every one of those 4 years.

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I have IMMENSE respect for Manning, as is well documented, to the annoyance of many.

But when the bullets are flying, against the best teams in the league, in the biggest games of all, Brady moves the chains and wins Championships...while Manning CHOKES.

And isn't THAT how you separate the Great Ones from all of the rest???

Originally Posted by TealSox

Agreed.

The Brady v. Manning debate has all but faded away over the last few years, when Brady was tossing up his huge stats to accompany his 3 Super Bowl Championships.

Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77

OTG:

If you go back to the beginnings of their careers, let alone 2007, you'll find that Brady's passer rating outdoors > Manning's passer rating outdoors, AND Brady's passer rating indoors > Manning's passer rating indoors.

The only reason Manning had a higher career passer rating (right now Brady's is higher) is because Manning got to play so many more games indoors. But since 2010, the gulf in ratings has become large enough to swamp that advantage.

Originally Posted by Off The Grid

Well said, sir.

Couldn't agree more.



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