Uncle Rico

This whole Bruins thing had me watching some Bobby Orr highlights; it occurred to me that three New England sports teams can claim to have players who are at least in the discussion for GOAT in their sports -- Orr, Russell, Brady. Baseball's a little tougher, but T Williams is very much in the discussion of greatest hitters of all. Pretty cool.

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Patspsycho

Chuck Noll with his four rings would have to be part of the discussion.

AndyJohnson

Yes he would but the comment made suggested BB may not be in the top 5 already and by winning a 4th he could fight Lomardi for 3rd.
With the 4th he passes Noll IMO. BBs 4 = Nolls 4 and BBs other accomplishments far exceed Nolls.

AndyJohnson

I've always felt Bird belongs in the discussion.

HomerSchooled

I think, logically and as without bias as I can muster, both Brady and BB would have to be considered the best. BB would be tied for most SB wins as a head coach, and then would have an extra two as the defensive coordinator for a team defined by its defense. It'd be him and Lombardi, I think. Lombardi may get the edge because he's a tad snugglier.

As for Brady vs Montana, I ADORE this debate. Montana had Rice and far superior defenses throughout his career, and was never relied on to produce like Brady is. Montana never had a 4000 yard season, or lead the league in TDs or yards across a full season. People cite Montana's dominant play in SBs, but ignore that almost every SB played during his era was a total embarrassment and a blowout, and that most of the ones that weren't were ones he played in. Brady is both more efficient and prolific, with more 4th Quarter comebacks, more passing titles and records, a better win percentage, and all in snowy, windy New England instead of sunny California. One more SB, and it has to be over. Brady will have him beat in every category.

That being said, I still happily concede that Montana remains the better QB historically. I hold SBs in incredibly high esteem. But Brady is going to pass him this year on the all time TD list somewhere around mid-season. When that happens, people will stop and look at how many good years Brady likely has left, and I think the discussion is going to pick up quite a bit. It might not even take a SB for Brady to pass him in some people's eyes if his numbers continue to be so vastly superior. If Brady ends his career with like 15 000 more yards, 150 more TDs, and a much higher passer rating than Montana, does one more SB win still trump that? Who's to say? Hopefully, Brady wins a few more rings and an MVP or two, and we can just skip that discussion all together.

PATRIOTSFANINPA

Montana was undefeated in SBs and IMO it would be extremely hard to have Brady pass him by.

Sure you could say Jerry Rice helped with Montana's successful career but then again would Jerry Rice be the GOAT WR if not for Joe?

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Deus Irae

Baseball is Ruth, and both the Red Sox and Yankees can lay claim to him.

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tests

lets not get carried away. We all thought the pats would dominate the playoffs this past season... did not turn out that way, did it?

I would be happy if brady and co win one more championship (obviously the more the merrier). But realistically speaking, i think his window is 2-3 years

HomerSchooled

Jerry Rice proved pretty conclusively that he was the greatest no matter who was throwing him the ball. He had some of his most impressive years with QBs like Young, Gannon, and Grbac tossing it.

Like I said, I think the undefeated in SB play is overrated given the era. The NFC was undefeated for like 10+ years in SBs. Competitive SBs simply did not happen back then, and the talent gap was always enormous. These days, every single SB has been an obvious struggle. If Brady ends up winning a fourth, and people cite the undefeated in SB play thing, they'd basically be punishing Brady for winning more playoff games.

PATSYLICIOUS

1 more ring : Make people forget his subpar performances in our last 3 losses, shows he still got it in January. Puts him in the driver's seat of the GOAT discussion. And like someone else said clears out the small remaining cloud from the spygate BS.

2 more rings : Unquestioned GOAT

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