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Old 01-23-2008, 01:25 PM   #1
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The reason behind the Giants getting virtually no chance to win is based on Super Bowls of the past 37 years regarding Defense allowing points and Offense scoring points as statistics show in the regular season prior to the SB

If you look at Super Bowls since the 1970 Merger there have only been 8 teams that have won the Super Bowl that have NOT had both the offense and defense BOTH ranked in the top 10 in the regualr season - It is rare when a team does not rank in the top 10 in both offense and defense and wins such as the only teams to do so since the 1970 merger as follows...

The only 8 teams 37 years to have won the Supr Bowl without being top 10 in offense and defense but has had at least 1 of offense or defense ranked in the top 10

1976 - Raiders 4th on offense 12th in defense
1982 - Redskins 12th in offense 1st in defense
1983 - Raiders 3rd in offense 13th in defense
1990 - Giants 15th in offense 1st in defense
2000 - Ravens 14th in offense 1st in defense
2002 - Bucs 18th in offense 1st in defense
2003 - Patriots 12th in offense 1st in defense
2006 - Colts 2nd in offense 23rd in defense

Now the reason why the Giants need a miracle to win based on these facts is that this year the Giants are NOT in the top 10 in offense OR defense,they are ranked 14th in offense and 17th in defense and have one of the worst combined rankings in Super Bowl history which means the Giants have to do something no other team in NFL history has done before and win with those rankings -

Thats 0-37 folks - even though its just stats and things can happen,an 0 for 37 stat does not bone well for the G-mens chances next sunday.

In fact I don't think it will be close and don't forget New England has not had a close game when the temperature was above 50 as thier last blowout was in the final week of October when the temps got a bit colder thus the games got closer.

Expect a blowout and a boring super bowl next sunday- Boring for non-patriots fans that is...
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:28 PM   #2
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What are the PATS rankings this year?
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I think there are a good number of reasons the Patriots should win, and I believe they will, but this is not one of them.

This factors in games early in the season, which may or may not be completely meaningless when it comes Super Bowl time. Do an analysis of how teams were playing coming down the stretch (including the playoffs) and then present that. I think there is something to the adage "hot at the right time", however I do do also believe superior talent should win out (see 2007 World Series)
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When you give BB 2 weeks to prepare and you have TB in your team on a beautiful and warm Sunday, you are asking for forgiveness.
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The patriots rank #1 in offense and 4th in defense points allowed this season meaning they are more than qualified among the majority of SB champions

If those stats mean anything then the Giants may be one of the worst teams in terms of offense and defense to ever play in Super Bowl history

This all adds up to smell like blowout city

The Patriots with those 2 rankings are in the top 3 best ranked of all teams ever as a SB participant.
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I think there are a good number of reasons the Patriots should win, and I believe they will, but this is not one of them.

This factors in games early in the season, which may or may not be completely meaningless when it comes Super Bowl time. Do an analysis of how teams were playing coming down the stretch (including the playoffs) and then present that. I think there is something to the adage "hot at the right time", however I do do also believe superior talent should win out (see 2007 World Series)
You can say that stats are emaningless or stuff like that but 0 for freaking 37 is something that is hard to ignore

Its like rolling dice 37 times and not coming up once with the number you pick from 2 to 12
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I believe the Pats will win the SB by a wide margin. However, when 2 teams face each other in the regular season in a game decided by 7 points or less, and then have a rematch in the SB, the team that lost the regular season game has won the SB rematch 6 out of 7 times. The only exception is the 1986 Broncos, who lost to the NYG by 3 and then lost the Sb 39-20, despite leading at halftime.

IOW, the NYG gain an advantage by having played the Pats close in the regular season. That advantage mitigates against any other statistical "rules" governing winning and losing the SB.
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I believe the Pats will win the SB by a wide margin. However, when 2 teams face each other in the regular season in a game decided by 7 points or less, and then have a rematch in the SB, the team that lost the regular season game has won the SB rematch 6 out of 7 times. The only exception is the 1986 Broncos, who lost to the NYG by 3 and then lost the Sb 39-20, despite leading at halftime.

IOW, the NYG gain an advantage by having played the Pats close in the regular season. That advantage mitigates against any other statistical "rules" governing winning and losing the SB.
While that stat you posted is interesting, I will take the 0-37 streak over a 6 out of 7 anytime
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Everybody expected Giants to loose in the last 4 weeks and they proved everybody wrong. Eli suddenly plays better than his brother. Who would figure that.? I guess a collected phone call from his brother, PM, helped him get better.

BB and TB will remind Giants about pats.

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You can say that stats are emaningless or stuff like that but 0 for freaking 37 is something that is hard to ignore

Its like rolling dice 37 times and not coming up once with the number you pick from 2 to 12
Man, that is the last thing in the world that I was saying. My point was that stats accumulated very early on in the season have little bearing on what's going to happen on the field in February.

Early in the season, the Giants were getting lit up like a Christmas tree, but their defense has substantially improved.

Early in the season, the Patriots were blowing everyone out, and as the season went on their games got closer.

I'm not saying I think the Giants are as good as the Pats, because they aren't, and I don't think it close. I'm just trying to point out that looking at rankings for the whole season are almost irrelevant when trying to analytically discuss the matchup. To say that what I said was "stats are meaningless" is the worst possible misinterpretation of my point.
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